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PamM
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posted 05-17-2006 02:10 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The A380 arrives at Heathrow tomorrow after paying her respects to Broughton & Filton. See the BBC Report.

If anyone wants to snap a pic, she is due to touch down 27L at 1320 local, flying a right hand circuit onto 27L.

Pam


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Globaliser
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posted 05-17-2006 03:07 PM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, Pam. It would have been fun, but I just can't get away this week unfortunately.

I will keep my fingers crossed that I can skive off for a day to go to Farnborough.


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posted 05-17-2006 08:53 PM      Profile for Garnett   Email Garnett   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm curious how they can already designate a runway so far in advance of the aircraft's arrival. Typically, runways are assigned based on wind direction at the time and, of course, volume of traffic in and out of the terminal area. At all major (and even some minor ones...such as d class and c class airports in the US), pilots are required to tune into the airport's ATIS (Automatic Terminal Information System) to get automated information relative to active runway, wind direction, misc information (closed taxiways, etc.), altimeter settings...and so forth before even calling up Approach Control. I've flown into many airports where the arriving/departing runway would change from hour to hour.

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posted 05-18-2006 12:04 AM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Garnett:
I'm curious how they can already designate a runway so far in advance of the aircraft's arrival. Typically, runways are assigned based on wind direction at the time and, of course, volume of traffic in and out of the terminal area. At all major (and even some minor ones...such as d class and c class airports in the US), pilots are required to tune into the airport's ATIS (Automatic Terminal Information System) to get automated information relative to active runway, wind direction, misc information (closed taxiways, etc.), altimeter settings...and so forth before even calling up Approach Control. I've flown into many airports where the arriving/departing runway would change from hour to hour.

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Not all runways are equal. They vary in length and weight handling capabilities. 27L might be the only runway that can handle the A380.

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posted 05-18-2006 06:30 AM      Profile for Garnett   Email Garnett   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good Point. Pilots of small aircraft seldom give much thought to the weight-bearing capabilities of the runway...we're typically more concerned by surface type, length, and width.
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posted 05-18-2006 06:46 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She can only land on 2 runways; these have both been upgraded to take her weight, along with various taxiways and new double air-bridges etc. She is here to test them. The info came from an aircraft enthusiast friend, but plenty of info re all the detail can be found by reading through the 'Spotters Corner' on PPRuNe [Professional Pilots Rumour Network]; there is rather a lot of it to plough through.

There will be alive webcast on the BAA Heathrow site, which you do have to pre-register to watch.

Pam

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posted 05-18-2006 06:12 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your point of view, the flight paths for planes using one of the two runways at Dorval's Pierre Elliot Trudeau airport (YUL) that can handle the A380 cross the foot of the street that I live on. While planes taking off are quite high before they cross the street, those coming in to land appear to be less that 100 feet above ground level. I eagerly await the complaints and petitions (that I never sign) from some of my neighbours when the first A380's aririve in Montreal. From a noise point of view, the planes using YUL nowadays are much quieter than those of even 10 years ago, but one would never think that after hearing the continual whining of some of the loudmouths in the neighbourhood. They're noisier than the planes.

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posted 05-19-2006 07:01 PM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Garnett:
I'm curious how they can already designate a runway so far in advance of the aircraft's arrival.
It's actually fairly easy at Heathrow, even for ordinary aircraft.

There are only two runways at LHR, and they're parallel to each other. So the only issue is whether operations on any particular day will be easterly or westerly. By lunchtime on Wednesday, it will have been pretty clear that Thursday's winds would dictate westerly ops, which is what Heathrow does about 70-80% of the time.

Further, during westerly ops, one runway is used almost exclusively for departures and the other almost exclusively for arrivals. Whichever way around they are at the beginning of the day, they swap over at about 3 pm local time so that people living under the final approach path will substantively get a break from the noise either in the first half of the day or the second half of the day.

The schedule for westerly ops is known well in advance, hence if you are confident that you are flying in on a westerlies day and you know what time you're arriving, you'll have a pretty good idea which runway you'll be landing on.

The 380 may well be restricted to just one runway, though, as PamM says. In that case, the guesswork is limited - you've just got to work out whether you're going to be on easterlies or westerlies to know whether it's going to be 27L or 09R.

BTW, here's the BBC News video of the landing.

And photos are available here (NB that link will always start by returning the most recently uploaded photos for the aircraft concerned).

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great BBC video of landing....a bit of a hard bounce on the wheels when it touched down....amazing....looking forward to it arriving in vancouver when the new terminal addition is complete.....jeff
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I could not make that video link work, try this one:

HERE


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Thanks Globaliser & Malcolm.. there are some incredible photos on airliners.net
The webcast did not work, sound but no picture so I watched on Sky but it wasn't as good as that video clip. BAA did apologise for the wecast failure, and replayed it later in the afternnon, however I did not read the email advice until long afterwards

I did note that she was parked at the stand strategically next to an Emirates aircraft.

Pam


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quote:
Originally posted by jeffrossatsea:
great BBC video of landing....a bit of a hard bounce on the wheels when it touched down
It was a really iffy day, weather-wise, for a picture-perfect display. I'll bet everyone had some excitement on finals for LHR - not just the A380 crew. But it was good to see how responsive the aircraft clearly is during a blowy, gusty day with a lot of dirty air.

Incidentally, I saw elsewhere that there were contingency plans for her landing on 27R if necessary, so it looks like both of LHR's runways will take her. But the A380-capable extension to Terminal 3 is right by 09R/27L, so it made sense for that runway to be used for this, plus with the current (temporary) 10-mile astern separation restriction, it would not unduly affect the normal landing stream on 27R.

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A380 is in trouble and so is Airbus. Yesterday they announced more delays and production problems. Only 1 plane will be delivered in 2006, 5 in 2007 and no more then 9 in 2008. Singapore just gave the 787 a 20/20 (firm orders / options) and Quantis, Emerates and one other airline are reviewing their contracts. The A350 (787 competitor?) is dead in the water as the first design has been rejected and a new designe will cost 2 billion euros.

I believe that more cancellation will be coming soon. Slightly more then 150 A380 have been ordered verse 380 plus 787's. I also think that Boeing will modify the 747-8 design slightly looks to steal A380 orders with a proven aircraft.


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Airbus is certainly having problems - but Boeing is struggling as well - they have major technical problems with the 787 - if this is not sorted out the problems of Airbus are negligible.

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