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quote:Originally posted by dmwnc1:I just CANNOT fathom being on an aiplane for nearly 23 hours non-stop! Could you honestly sit for 23 hours on a plane? Not me.
I just CANNOT fathom being on an aiplane for nearly 23 hours non-stop! Could you honestly sit for 23 hours on a plane? Not me.
The longest I've sat on a plane is 15hours and 15 minutes (13 hours and 39 minutes in the air, with all but 5 minutes of the rest on the tarmac at JFK) on a non-stop flight from New York to Johannesburg in 1996. It was 18 hours and 25 minutes on the retuirn flight, but we had a 40 minute refuelling stop in the Cape Verde Islands.
Sadly SAA no longer flies non-stop between the USA and South Africa since they moved all their 747-400's to the London-RSA routes and replaced them with A340s on the US routes. JFK-Joburg flights now stop at Dakar, adding 2 hours 35 minutes to the travel time compared to the non-stop flights, and Atlanta-Joburg flights stop in the Cape Verde Islands. Who wants to cruise on those creaky old tubs they charter for cruises out of Durban anyways?
Brian
[ 11-11-2005: Message edited by: Brian_O ]
My longest flight was a 16:01 HKG-LHR. It was actually quite nice to wake up of my own accord when I'd had enough sleep, rather than be woken up by the crew because we were landing. I also regularly do the 22 hour jaunt to/from Sydney, although there is a necessary stop en route at present. I'd gladly abandon that to get to my destination a couple of hours faster.
quote:Originally posted by Pascal:That's to say if you stay seated in a narrow place without moving during a very long time, you can die from embolism.
Yes, 'Deep Vein Thrombosis'. However, it could also equally occur if you to sit at a desk, in a car, or even in a steamer chair, on a prom deck, without moving for too long.
Pam
quote:Originally posted by PamM:Airlines give you a run down of exercises now, but when someone's knees are up against the seat in front, they can't. Airlines also suggest you get up every so often and walk about.. then on the other foot US Airlines then tell you you can't congregate by the toilets and talk to one's fellow passengers.. aside from the fact you can't get up or down the aisle half the time. Pam
Greetings Ben.
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:I'd rather do two flights with an overnight stay than spend 20+ hours in a tin can....ahhhhhh!
If I had taken that attitude, my 3-week stay in RSA in 1996 would have been 2 days shorter.
quote:Originally posted by Pascal:I don't know how it works exactly but I have read several reports of such cases, especialy on the Paris-Nouméa line (the longest of the world, something about 32hrs of flight).
I don't know how it works exactly but I have read several reports of such cases, especialy on the Paris-Nouméa line (the longest of the world, something about 32hrs of flight).
If they flew on Japan route(either Narita or Kansai Airports) by following flights they could travel in about 23 hours.
For examples: Paris - Nouméa
Flight/Aircraft Departs Arrives Flight time Monday, November 14, 2005 at 11:15 PM Tuesday, November 15, 2005 at 7:00 PM AF278 77W Paris, Charles de Gaulle (CDG) - FRANCE Terminal 2F Tokyo, Narita (NRT) - JAPAN Terminal 111h45 Connection Connection time : 1h55. Tuesday, November 15, 2005 at 8:55 PM Wednesday, November 16, 2005 at 7:40 AM AF2278 * 332 Tokyo, Narita (NRT) - JAPAN Terminal 1 Nouméa, Tontouta (NOU) - NEW CALEDONIA 08h45 * Flight AF2278 is operated by Air Caledonie International on behalf of Air France.Connection = change of aircraft, terminal, or airport.
Total flight time : 22h25 Flight/Aircraft Departs Arrives Flight time Wednesday, November 16, 2005 at 1:30 PM Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 9:10 AM AF292 77W Paris, Charles de Gaulle (CDG) - FRANCE Terminal 2F Osaka, Kansai Intl (KIX) - JAPAN 11h40 Connection Connection time : 2h20. Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 11:30 AM Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 10:15 PM AF2292 * 763 Osaka, Kansai Intl (KIX) - JAPANNouméa, Tontouta (NOU) - NEW CALEDONIA 08h45 * Flight AF2292 is operated by Air Caledonie International on behalf of Air France.Connection = change of aircraft, terminal, or airport.
Total flight time : 22h45
Though if they chose AF276 traveling time is about 32 hours because of stopover at Narita is much longer than above.
Flight/Aircraft Departs Arrives Flight time Tuesday, November 15, 2005 at 1:20 PM Wednesday, November 16, 2005 at 9:20 AM AF276 772 Paris, Charles de Gaulle (CDG) - FRANCE Terminal 2F Tokyo, Narita (NRT) - JAPAN Terminal 1 12h00 Connection Connection time : 11h35. Wednesday, November 16, 2005 at 8:55 PM Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 7:40 AM AF2278 * 332 Tokyo, Narita (NRT) - JAPAN Terminal 1 Nouméa, Tontouta (NOU) - NEW CALEDONIA 08h45 * Flight AF2278 is operated by Air Caledonie International on behalf of Air France.Connection = change of aircraft, terminal, or airport.
Total flight time : 32h20
[ 11-13-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]
quote:Originally posted by Ocean Liners:If they flew on Japan route(either Narita or Kansai Airports) by following flights they could travel in about 23 hours.For examples: Paris - NouméaFlight/Aircraft Departs Arrives Flight time Monday, November 14, 2005 at 11:15 PM Tuesday, November 15, 2005 at 7:00 PM AF278 77W Paris, Charles de Gaulle (CDG) - FRANCE Terminal 2F Tokyo, Narita (NRT) - JAPAN Terminal 1 11h45 Connection Connection time : 1h55. Tuesday, November 15, 2005 at 8:55 PM Wednesday, November 16, 2005 at 7:40 AM AF2278 * 332 Tokyo, Narita (NRT) - JAPAN Terminal 1 Nouméa, Tontouta (NOU) - NEW CALEDONIA 08h45 * Flight AF2278 is operated by Air Caledonie International on behalf of Air France.Connection = change of aircraft, terminal, or airport. Total flight time : 22h25 Flight/Aircraft Departs Arrives Flight time Wednesday, November 16, 2005 at 1:30 PM Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 9:10 AM ]AF292 77W Paris, Charles de Gaulle (CDG) - FRANCE Terminal 2F Osaka, Kansai Intl (KIX) - JAPAN 11h40 Connection Connection time : 2h20. Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 11:30 AM Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 10:15 PM AF2292 * 763 Osaka, Kansai Intl (KIX) - JAPAN Nouméa, Tontouta (NOU) - NEW CALEDONIA 08h45 * Flight AF2292 is operated by Air Caledonie International on behalf of Air France.Connection = change of aircraft, terminal, or airport. Total flight time : 22h45 Though if they chose AF276 traveling time is about 32 hours because of stopover at Narita is much longer than above. Flight/Aircraft Departs Arrives Flight time Tuesday, November 15, 2005 at 1:20 PM Wednesday, November 16, 2005 at 9:20 AM AF276 772 Paris, Charles de Gaulle (CDG) - FRANCE Terminal 2F Tokyo, Narita (NRT) - JAPAN Terminal 1 12h00 Connection Connection time : 11h35. Wednesday, November 16, 2005 at 8:55 PM Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 7:40 AM AF2278 * 332 Tokyo, Narita (NRT) - JAPAN Terminal 1 Nouméa, Tontouta (NOU) - NEW CALEDONIA 08h45 * Flight AF2278 is operated by Air Caledonie International on behalf of Air France.Connection = change of aircraft, terminal, or airport. Total flight time : 32h20[ 11-13-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]
Flight/Aircraft Departs Arrives Flight time Monday, November 14, 2005 at 11:15 PM Tuesday, November 15, 2005 at 7:00 PM AF278 77W Paris, Charles de Gaulle (CDG) - FRANCE Terminal 2F Tokyo, Narita (NRT) - JAPAN Terminal 1 11h45 Connection Connection time : 1h55. Tuesday, November 15, 2005 at 8:55 PM Wednesday, November 16, 2005 at 7:40 AM AF2278 * 332 Tokyo, Narita (NRT) - JAPAN Terminal 1 Nouméa, Tontouta (NOU) - NEW CALEDONIA 08h45 * Flight AF2278 is operated by Air Caledonie International on behalf of Air France.Connection = change of aircraft, terminal, or airport.
Total flight time : 22h25 Flight/Aircraft Departs Arrives Flight time Wednesday, November 16, 2005 at 1:30 PM Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 9:10 AM ]AF292 77W Paris, Charles de Gaulle (CDG) - FRANCE Terminal 2F Osaka, Kansai Intl (KIX) - JAPAN 11h40 Connection Connection time : 2h20. Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 11:30 AM Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 10:15 PM AF2292 * 763 Osaka, Kansai Intl (KIX) - JAPAN Nouméa, Tontouta (NOU) - NEW CALEDONIA 08h45 * Flight AF2292 is operated by Air Caledonie International on behalf of Air France.Connection = change of aircraft, terminal, or airport.
I believe the flight times from Paris to Japan have been overestimated by 1 hour in each example. Paris is on GMT, Tokyo is GMT+9 and Noumea is GMT+11. The total flight times including layeovers should be 21hr25, 21hr45 and 31hr20. Actual flying times, based on gate-to-gate scheduled times, are: 19hr30, 19h25 and 19hr45.
See JAL or Varig sites.
quote:Originally posted by Ocean Liners:Japan Airlines or Varig operates one of long haul flights between Narita, Japan and Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.See JAL or Varig sites.[ 11-13-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]
No calculations of flying times, layover times, etc. ?
quote:Originally posted by Brian_O:I believe the flight times from Paris to Japan have been overestimated by 1 hour in each example. Paris is on GMT, Tokyo is GMT+9 and Noumea is GMT+11. The total flight times including layeovers should be 21hr25, 21hr45 and 31hr20. Actual flying times, based on gate-to-gate scheduled times, are: 19hr30, 19h25 and 19hr45.
You are incorrect.Paris is 1 hour ahead of Greenwich mean time (GMT+1), or Japan is 8 hours ahead of Paris now.
[ 11-14-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]
quote:Originally posted by Ocean Liners: Paris is 1 hour ahead of Greenwich mean time (GMT+1), or Japan is 8 hours ahead of Paris now. [ 11-14-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]
Paris is 1 hour ahead of Greenwich mean time (GMT+1), or Japan is 8 hours ahead of Paris now.
I stand corrected. France is on Central European Time. I misread the map in my National Geographic Atlas.
The net result is that these ultra-long haul flights will only be commercially viable on high-yield routes. Noumea is not a high-yield destination, nor is it ever likely to be. London-Auckland is very arguable. That's why the focus is on London-Sydney - it's probably the last high-yield route that cannot currently be done non-stop.
Or more accurately, the focus is on Sydney-London. London-Sydney is already perfectly feasible; it's the return trip that's difficult.
quote:Originally posted by Pascal:More over there are medical issues with very long flights. French medics named it (I don't know the English term, sorry) "syndrome de la classe économique". That's to say if you stay seated in a narrow place without moving during a very long time, you can die from embolism.
Statistical analysis of cases of deep vein thrombosis amongst airline passengers show that you have the same chance of developing this if you fly in first or business class as if you fly in economy class.
But "luxury travel syndrome" doesn't make good headlines, does it?
quote:Originally posted by Brian_O:While the HK-London flight took almost 23 hours, it didn't have to do so. The flight crossed 16 time zones. If they had flown the other direction it would have been a much shorter flight (8 time zones)
quote:Originally posted by Globaliser: That's why the focus is on London-Sydney - it's probably the last high-yield route that cannot currently be done non-stop.Or more accurately, the focus is on Sydney-London. London-Sydney is already perfectly feasible; it's the return trip that's difficult.
That's why the focus is on London-Sydney - it's probably the last high-yield route that cannot currently be done non-stop.
British Airways, Virgin or Qantas should purchase Boeing 777-200LR Worldliner to operate non-stop service on the Kangaroo Route.
quote:Originally posted by Ocean Liners:British Airways or Qantas should purchase Boeing 777-200LR Worldliner.
I'd certainlyseriously think about cruising from the far East if the cruise was packaged with a reasonable priced flight.
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:Will these new aircraft make very long hauls cheaper?
However, the A380 is likely to make long-haul travel cheaper.
But flights to the Far East are already pretty cheap. Return flights to Hong Kong (one of my regular destinations) are currently available from about £295 + tax = £400 for travel in January. That's a generally-available published fare with BA on non-stops.
[ 11-14-2005: Message edited by: Globaliser ]
quote:Originally posted by Globaliser:For the record, London-Hong Kong is scheduled at about 12 hours, and Hong Kong-London is just over 13 hours. These are the northern winter schedules. You have to remember that actual flying is usually about 45-60 minutes less than the scheduled time of the flight - the rest of the scheduled time is made up of taxiing and waiting, and a bit of padding for small delays.
Sounds about right for London-HK and return.
Yes. Scheduled times are gate-to-gate times and include the allowances you mention. On my non-stop flight from New York to Johannesburg we left the gate at JFK on schedule but didn't get airborne until 46 minutes later. We still arrived at the gate in Joburg 5 minutes ahead of schedule. Scheduled time was 14 hours 35 minutes. Actual flying time was 13 hours 39 minutes.
On the return flight (1-stop) we left the gate 90 minutes late because all flights were grounded due to a severe thunderstorm directly overhead. We still arrived at the gate at JFK a mere 35 minutes late.
[ 11-14-2005: Message edited by: Brian_O ]
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