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Topic: Veendam gets ducktail!

Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 04-24-2009 12:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
Anyway, I am more concerned about the lanai cabins and their effect on the promenade deck (which is great on these ships),

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 04-24-2009 12:46 PM

Those lanai cabins remind me of a cabin we had on the ss Independence several years ago. Our cabin had a lanai/verandah that had deck to ceiling windows (no door) that looked out onto the boat deck. I see on Veendam that the glass doors are mirrored so people passing by cannot see in-during the day at least

Old US coastal liners and river boats had/have a similar set-up w/cabin doors opening out onto a open deck.

[ 04-24-2009: Message edited by: lasuvidaboy ]

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Fairsky
First Class Passenger
Member # 781

posted 04-24-2009 01:22 PM

The Oeseas concept developed by STX, which I think is pretty remarkable, has a similar Lanai concept instead of private balconies. But they include private seating areas and the unusual windows. I doubt anyone would build such a design, but I'd love to see it happen.

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 04-24-2009 01:42 PM

I understand the point that the promenade deck might get obstructed if there are too many cabins. However, on very few occasions I had a cabin with a door to the public open deck space and I loved it. I guess it's an interesting option to make cabins more attractive that otherwise would only have a window.

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desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 04-24-2009 04:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Fairsky:

I like the idea. It is very social and intimate.
In my school days; at the Univ of Copenhagen.
City planning class:

We did a live study of a suburban tract; urban front stoop, urban front porch, urban front porch with yard. The urban front porch was the setup where people are most likely to stop and chat with a nieghbor, the urban front porch with yard
likely to wave hello and keep going. The suburban tract, one most likely to ignore a passerby.

Private balconies are isolating. The lanai is one's own defensible space yet open to socialization with others. It is a nice blend between open deck chair shortages and fights and the isolated and cramped private balcony.

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bcscot
First Class Passenger
Member # 22351

posted 04-24-2009 08:38 PM

The 'steamer chairs' will have to be less densely packed than they are now, on the promenade deck, so the overall effect will be less chairs for those passengers not in these lanai cabins, thereby increasing competition for deck chairs & increasing strife. People will also fight when others sit in their lanai chairs! I think that how sociable it is, depends on the people involved. It is an interesting concept though & a clever way of making these promenade cabins more interesting.

Graham.

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avalon1025
First Class Passenger
Member # 5383

posted 05-02-2009 03:02 AM

Completed Veendam photo on another Cruise site, sailing into Ft Lauderdale tonight. Her aft looks awful. I don't know why they could not have followed the line of the dining room windows up to the upper decks.

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avalon1025
First Class Passenger
Member # 5383

posted 05-02-2009 03:07 AM

from inlet cam:

http://www.travelserver.net/travelpage/aspgallery/pictures/Ad_3185_2.jpg

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Rego007
First Class Passenger
Member # 4632

posted 05-02-2009 03:17 AM

Ok, I have to ask. Who in the world saw that design either in mock-up or in a sketch and thought that was a good idea? Nobody in his right mind can think this is an improvement to this ship!

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dougnewman
First Class Passenger
Member # 11349

posted 05-02-2009 04:49 AM

Good God that is awful.

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Rego007
First Class Passenger
Member # 4632

posted 05-02-2009 05:49 AM

Why has there been this sudden push to put these "ducktail" stern extensions on ships recently? It seems that this has really taken off since Century had hers installed. Were these ships really that unstable or marginally stable in their original forms?

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Steve Read (sread)
First Class Passenger
Member # 788

posted 05-02-2009 06:58 AM

Just my two penn'orth but who cares what a ship looks like from the outside, because you can't see it from the inside?
It's the experience for passengers who are onboard that matters more, I would have thought.
(Like the hump on Norwegian Epic - passengers in the courtyard villas it contains will love it, even if people ashore are pointing and going "Yecch!")
I imagine HAL will pay more attention to people on the inside pee(r)ing out, than those on the outside pee(r)ing in.

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jeffrossatsea
First Class Passenger
Member # 2962

posted 05-02-2009 11:26 AM

mannn...typical carnival mess of a good lookin ship...jeff

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NAL
First Class Passenger
Member # 1102

posted 05-02-2009 11:41 AM

Yes, I must admit the result is disappointing on the exterior. I always liked the Statendam class, but now much less so. I hope the changes/additions have made the interior so much better that it's all worthwhile. I hate to think what will happen to Rotterdam VI!

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LaLa
First Class Passenger
Member # 5684

posted 05-02-2009 01:21 PM

that's a hot mess...

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 05-02-2009 02:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by sread:
Just my two penn'orth but who cares what a ship looks like from the outside, because you can't see it from the inside?

Sread that sums up the difference between a 'cruise passenger' and a 'ship nut'.

Would you buy a car that you thought looked ugly, even if you could not see it when you drive? I know ship nuts that would just not cruise on an ugly ship.

Just imagine the embarrassment of walking back to the port to board a monstrosity, especially if a more attractive ship were berthed nearby. A true ship nut would have to wear a disguise. It would be like a car park full of BMW's and you had to walked back to your Reliant Robin - oh the shame.

However I do agree that HAL, NCL et al are not at all worried about the few.

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 05-02-2009 02:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Sread that sums up the difference between a 'cruise passenger' and a 'ship nut'.
[...]

Mind you that a lot of these 'ship nuts' (of course not all) who put such a strong emphasis on the exterior hardly travel by ship at all.

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dougnewman
First Class Passenger
Member # 11349

posted 05-02-2009 04:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by sread:
Just my two penn'orth but who cares what a ship looks like from the outside, because you can't see it from the inside?

Well, I'm planning on sailing in this ship next year, so evidently I don't care that much.

But for better or for worse, ugly ships make me cringe.

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Fairsky
First Class Passenger
Member # 781

posted 05-02-2009 05:18 PM

It really is worse than I expected. What a shame.

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 05-03-2009 12:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by avalon1025:
from inlet cam:
http://www.travelserver.net/travelpage/aspgallery/pictures/Ad_3185_2.jpg

The picture left me speechless....

Before....
After....

[ 05-03-2009: Message edited by: Waynaro ]

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HomeLines
First Class Passenger
Member # 1707

posted 05-03-2009 12:12 AM

oh wow....that looks awful! I was optimistic at first but wow what a disappointment.

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Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 05-03-2009 02:06 AM

Maybe HAL is trying to make Eurodam look more beautiful by making the rest of their fleet uglier with more boxy sterns like Eurodam.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 05-03-2009 05:16 AM

To quote PamM, "She's now like Norwegian Epic sailing backwards"!

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dmwnc1
Cruise Director
Member # 3785

posted 05-03-2009 08:30 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
To quote PamM, "She's now like Norwegian Epic sailing backwards"!

THATS what I been trying to figure out. THANKS PamM, I knew it looked familiar somewhere.

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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 05-03-2009 09:14 AM

Oh my god I'm really angry they have ruined here good profile. They are going nuts in Seattle.

Angry Ben.

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