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VDK
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posted 08-18-2006 01:02 AM      Profile for VDK   Email VDK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...at least according to ssMARITIME. Have a read at the latest news. It is painfull, such a slow death. But I wonder where the true reality lies...
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Willem
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posted 08-18-2006 04:07 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ssmaritime is full of misinformation
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Patsy
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posted 08-18-2006 05:23 AM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're not wrong there, Willem. He can't make up his mind whether it's over or not from day to day yet didn't do anything until the end of June. His updates get edited or deleted. Everything is dated the same year. And he can't even make up his mind whether the site was started in 1997 and split into several in 2003 or 1998 and split into several in 2001 (depending on which page you read). And as he publicly attacks people it makes him unprofessional. The Times of India (or any Indian newspaper) and Maritime Matters are better for accuracy.
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Ernst
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posted 08-18-2006 08:22 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is just pathetic.
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desirod7
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posted 08-18-2006 08:57 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 


quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
This is just pathetic.

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 08-18-2006 09:10 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Patsy

It is also pathetic the way you keep attacking Rueben.
You must be bored with life !

Neil ( Bob )


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dmwnc1
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posted 08-18-2006 09:40 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You must be bored with life?

I personally feel its pathetic when any of our board members routinely engage in the practice of attacking other board members...a case of the 'pot calling the kettle black'?

I used to read this board everyday, but got bored and disgusted with the petty and constant personal attacks several board members seem to engage in at every opportunity.

Be the better person and walk away from the playground bully.

[ 08-18-2006: Message edited by: dmwnc1 ]


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Johan
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posted 08-18-2006 09:48 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:



This is the end, compare it with this picture, on the cover of a magazine for sale on ebay, of the early beginnen :
Science de l'Avenir

The Future has ended !!

J


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desirod7
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posted 08-18-2006 09:49 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dmw,

There are lots of nice people on this board, I would say the majority. 20 I have met in person, and 2 on a cruise. It is human nature to have people you cannot stand in any group.

We are talking ships as a hobby here, not negotiating mideast cease fires or gay marriage bans.

Despite the Norway temper tantrum, SSMaritime has interesting stuff, as do most of the sites.

If one wants to save a ship, cruise on it. The lines understand bookings more than anything else.

quote:
Originally posted by dmwnc1:
You must be bored with life?

I personally feel its pathetic when any of our board members routinely engage in the practice of attacking other board members...a case of the 'pot calling the kettle black'?

I used to read this board everyday, but got bored and disgusted with the petty and constant personal attacks several board members seem to engage in at every opportunity.

Be the better person and walk away from the playground bully.

[ 08-18-2006: Message edited by: dmwnc1 ]


[ 08-18-2006: Message edited by: desirod7 ]


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dmwnc1
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posted 08-18-2006 09:54 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:
Dmw,

There are lots of nice people on this board, I would say the majority. 20 I have met in person, and 2 on a cruise. It is human nature to have people you cannot stand in any group.


Thanks...just airing my opinion. I get along with everyone here.

Just wishful thinking on my part...


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linerguy
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posted 08-18-2006 10:26 AM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"If one wants to save a ship, cruise on it. The lines understand bookings more than anything else."

EXCELLENT point, David.

I can see it now,.....

The bow of the lovely ssFRANCE/NORWAY will be sliced off, topple to the ground, and ssMARITIME will report that the authorities are forcing the yard to reattach it.

Other than being self-righteous and totally into himself, I like Rueben,....he makes a good sandwich.

-Russ

[ 08-18-2006: Message edited by: linerguy ]


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Ernst
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posted 08-18-2006 10:44 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Neil Whitmore ( Bob ):
Patsy

It is also pathetic the way you keep attacking Rueben.
You must be bored with life !

Neil ( Bob )


From another thread:

quote:
Originally posted by Neil Whitmore ( Bob ):
Hi All

It is interesting to note that Colin Veitch, who is the President of NCL, and would appear to be responsible for what has happened to the ss Norway, was with the P&O/ Princess Cruises group when the ss Canberra was sold for breaking in Pakistan.

It would appear he does not like the older cruise ships !


Neil ( Bob )

[ 08-18-2006: Message edited by: Neil Whitmore ( Bob ) ]



It is sad enough that we see such a beautiful ship being scrapped. Arbitrarily accusing people (this is so ridiculouse) and nagging does not make it better at all - it actually is disgraceful.

Even more disgusting is how some people like Reubens still try to take advantage of this sad situation to get some attention. No surprise that people object that.


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Patsy
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posted 08-18-2006 11:33 AM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well said, Ernst. I know I'm not the only one fed up with Neil (Bob)'s constant attacks on people who disagree while still repeating what Reubens says as if it were law.

So I'm a playground bully, am I, dmwnc1? Why? Because I disagree with him and am fed up with the rubbish he posts which he gets from Reubens? They're venom towards Star/NCL is out of control. If they care that much, why aren't either of them out in India trying to save her, especially Reubens with all his 'contacts'? Have you actually read the posts he's made over the past few months? That includes the threads that got edited and deleted? If he said something constructive it wouldn't be so bad. But he gets into arguments with people because he doesn't accept people think differently. How many more threads are going to be ruined because of that?


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Glencoe
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posted 08-18-2006 04:26 PM      Profile for Glencoe   Email Glencoe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With respect Patsy I think dmwnc1 was saying that Bob or whatever his name is was the bully and you should walk away from him.

It takes two to make an argument and I doubt anything you say will ever convince whatshisname, that he might just possibly be a bit off base.

All the nasty stuff that keeps getting posted about NCL etc is like being at the funeral of a dear loved one and having to listen to a lot of petty bickering about inane matters, rather than showing the dear departed the respect she deserves.

Ignore him and mourn with the rest of us. I did two cruises in my life and I loved every minute of them both, and they were both on the Norway. I did that because I wanted to try and recapture something of what it was like in the really golden years of sailing. I think in a large part that I did just that.

Seeing her on the beach like that really breaks my heart but what else is there, to do, save mourn and remember the better days, soon that will be all we have.


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Patsy
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posted 08-18-2006 05:20 PM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If he did, Glencoe, it certainly didn't come across that was as he was replying to whatshisface rather than me. But I thank you for your words. I said here http://www.travelserver.net/travelpage/ubb-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=003823 I'll try and ignore him. It's just never ending. This was all going on before I went to Plymouth and he attacked Ernst while I was there. It's not easy though. LOL!

You are right. And it's been wonderful these past couple of days with no bickering. I think, for me, losing Norway is worse than Canberra. Although I never sailed on her she was the ship that sparked my interest back in 1974 and also, when Canberra went, I only had my dad to discuss it with. Now I know all of you and have shared in people's memories, photos and tributes so it brings me closer to her, if you know what I mean.


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posted 08-18-2006 05:22 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's just a terrible sense of loss all around Patsy.
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posted 08-18-2006 05:34 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Glencoe:
With respect Patsy I think dmwnc1 was saying that Bob or whatever his name is was the bully and you should walk away from him.

It takes two to make an argument and I doubt anything you say will ever convince whatshisname, that he might just possibly be a bit off base.


Within reason everyone on this site has the right to express their opinion. I hope that more people will take Glencoe's suggestion to heart when they find themself disagreeing with another member. If you disagree, state your case and move on. If another member continues to "beat a dead ship" let the moderators have a chance to step in.

Arguing over the contents of another web site doesn't really have a place on this forum. Just move on.

You are welcome to reference something you have read elsewhere but starting now, any more unsupported conspiracy theory posts regarding the France/Norway shall be deleted.

Joe at TravelPage.com

[ 08-18-2006: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


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Anders
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quote:
Originally posted by joe at travelpage:

You are welcome to reference something you have read elsewhere but starting now, any more unsupported conspiracy theory posts regarding the France/Norway shall be deleted.

Joe at TravelPage.com

[ 08-18-2006: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


Thank you, Joe!


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Patsy
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posted 08-18-2006 06:23 PM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, Joe.
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Patsy
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posted 08-18-2006 06:30 PM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by DAMBROSI:
It's just a terrible sense of loss all around Patsy.

It is, Dambrosi. I wish now I'd got photos of the previous Albatros instead of just video when she was here in 2000. I didn't even get any of Caronia even though I have her as Vistafjord and Saga Ruby so at least that's better than nothing. With all this over Norway it makes me more determined to get photos of anything at all, even ships I hate, because you never know when you'll never be able to again. Though if we ever had Pride of America by chance I think I'd skip that. LOL!


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posted 08-18-2006 11:00 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Glencoe:
With respect Patsy I think dmwnc1 was saying that Bob or whatever his name is was the bully and you should walk away from him.

Indeed Patsy, Glencoe is correct.

Born and raised a true Southern Gentleman, I still say "Yes Sir" and "Yes ma'am", hold doors open for the ladies, and always say 'Thank You', 'may I', and 'Please'.

My apologies if offense was taken. I have the utmost respect for most board members, even though I have met almost none of you.


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moodus2
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posted 08-19-2006 01:29 AM      Profile for moodus2   Email moodus2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
if it was not for the boiler
explosion that ended the career of ss norway it would
be the price of fuel oil.
she was a oil guzzler at 50 feet a gallon.

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I don't think Reubens, Rembrandt and Picasso together could save her now!

(..OK, it was meant to be a joke...)


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Patsy
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posted 08-19-2006 08:36 AM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now you've explained it, dmwnc1, I apologise. Nice to know there's still some gentlemen around.

moodus2, the writing was on the wall for Norway back in 2001 when she did her farewell transatlantic before getting a reprieve. Star Cruise or not, her days were numbered with, as you say high oil prices, and also her outdatedness. You onlly have to look at Aquitania to see what happens when ships in the fleet are antiques who can't compete with newer ones.

LOL Indarra!


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 08-20-2006 03:12 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi All

It would appear that the Supreme Court in India are now asking why the ex ss Norway was moved by tugs from her anchorage to just off of the breakers yard at Alang as they did not give permission for her to be moved.

One good thing is that she is still afloat at high tide as the rise and fall there can be over 30 feet.

Neil (Bob)


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