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Originally posted by sslewis:
Onno,
The portholes were simply missing due to safety restrictions and very bad experiences with the Queens at war, when they nearly capsized whilst dealing with large waves.
Queen Mary nearly did before starring in the Poseidon movie, and shew only came back to an even keel thanks to her helmsman!
ssLewis

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Originally posted by sslewis:
I read that te cost of adding portholes on thoise lower deck would have prohibitive and structurally dangerous.
Yet, two cargo ships, Daphne Danae made very successfull cruiseships to this day!

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
I don't think it has much to do with safety. QE2 has ports amidship near the water line (deck 6 I believe). I would guess is the fact that the lower class rooms did not need a window in the minds of the Italian Line directors. 'Hell, we give them air conditioning, a bath nearby AND they want a view as well?!'

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This, again does not mean that their hull would have been able to accept portholes. For what ever reason they decided to build them this way, it is possible that the hull has been built in such a way that putting portholes there would have been difficult. (for whatever reason: thinner hull plates, frames and stingers in strange positions... I don`t know) We do not see these features from the outside (and maybe also not that easily form the inside), so one can not compare different "hulls" this way.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
I don't think it has much to do with safety. QE2 has ports amidship near the water line (deck 6 I believe). I would guess is the fact that the lower class rooms did not need a window in the minds of the Italian Line directors. 'Hell, we give them air conditioning, a bath nearby AND they want a view as well?!'

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Leonardo had air cnditioning as well as Cristoforo Colombo and its lowest portsholes on "B" deck, Twins had bath or shower in all cabins.

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Originally posted by Ocean Liners:

Leonardo had air cnditioning as well as Cristoforo Colombo and its lowest portsholes on "B" deck, Twins had bath or shower in all cabins.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

Could be that the designers thought they would look sleeker and more modern without rows of portholes. The ships were sleek and beautiful externally with modern and elegant interiors (1st class at least) but were not at all practical and built 10 years to late.

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Originally posted by Ernst:

I don`t think so. And if, then there would be no portholes at all. On the ohter hand, there were many strange mistakes made with these ships, so...

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

Canberra and Eugenio C (in service at the same time) had portholes on the lower decks and their designers did not seem to think it was a safety issue. The Italian Line seems to have not considered the possibility that these ships might be used as cruise ships in the off season.

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These ships were designed to sail different routes.
Canberra was originally to sail between U.K. and Australia, Eugenio C was planned to sail South American service though twins were engaged to sail Trans Atlantic service year round.

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Originally posted by Ocean Liners:

These ships were designed tosail different route
Canberra was originally to sail between U.K. and Australia, Eugenio C was planned to sail South American service though twins were engagd to sail Trans Atlantic service year round.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

Were any 'inside' first class cabins built along the hull, or were those just lower grade cabins on the lower decks built without ports? I still believe it was a choice by the line's directors to not provide the lower grade rooms with a porthole and not a safety issue.

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There were 15 'inside' first class cabins built along the hull on "A" deck.

La Marseillaise had hull balcony cabins however When she begun to sail Trans Atlantic service as Arosa Sky, these hull balcony cabins were enclosed.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

The privately owned Canberra and Eugenio C were of a superior design and able to switch to cruising easily. The former sailing almost continuously for 36 years basically unchanged.

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These cabins on E and F decks had wash basin(s) only.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

The privately owned Canberra and Eugenio C were of a superior design and able to switch to cruising easily.

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Eugenio C had no portholes on "C" (lowest)deck cabins and majority of cabins had no shower however Mich-Raf had shower(lowest deck) and space is also smaller than twins.

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