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[ 08-01-2003: Message edited by: RuthPerk ]
Thanks for posting. In those days advertising agencies knew that ships are more important to portray in a brochure. These days you get (if you're lucky) a fuzzy ship image some where in the back of a beach photo. Nowadays it is all about selling abstract feelings which can be quite disappointing while in the old days brochures sold the ship and thus pure facts which are less miss leading.
Ruth are you one of the little girls playing, on the bottom picture!
Onno
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quote:Originally posted by Onno:[QBRuth are you one of the little girls playing, on the bottom picture! [ 08-01-2003: Message edited by: Onno ][/QB]
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Nope - not me! They aren't cute enough to be me!
But I was captivated by them and they are a good part of the reason why I'm nuts about passenger liners (the other part was that I sailed to and from Europe on the Queen Mary as a 3 year old).
Anyways, they both had such short lives and sad ends. I still think that they are amongst the most beautiful vessels ever conceived.
Regards, Kaiser
Best, Onno
[ 08-05-2003: Message edited by: Onno ]
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Here is a elevation graphic I made of the Michelangelo, it shows nicely how funnels and superstructure where arranged to get the distinct profile.
Petede, you are indeed lucky to have sailed both ships (to bad they are no longer around) where the interiors and onboard art of both ships the same, or did they have distinct interiors and unique art for each ship?
Picture #3 works the best if the Mike and Ralph were to have one funnel.
quote:Originally posted by Onno:But the second funnel and it’s position makes up for it an balances the entire profile!Best, Onno[ 08-05-2003: Message edited by: Onno ]
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If Aesthetics was the reason then why not delete all port holes and create a smooth hull?
The safety reason could be the most plausible reason. Most ships that sunk after capsizing did so because the lower portholes where open and let in more water then would be the case if they where closed off. Italia Line did after all had the Andrea Doria tragedy.
Here is my vision of the Mike and Ralph as a hybrid liner-cruise ship. Had that been done originally, they may have had the long succesful career that the Oceanic, Galelleo/Marconi twins, RotterdamV and Canberra have seen. All these ships are in the 40,000 ton range.
Instead of piling balcony decks on top, I moved the 2 top bridge decks up one level and sandwiched in a balcony deck. The deck above the boat deck with cabins and a open promenade is a natural to put in balconies. Like the QE2 they are flush with the superstructure, not cantilevered.
With the extra deck the forward superstructure would be too massive. Promenade deck is extended 100' forward, allowing an obsevation deck. The forward superstructure is terraced for a sense of movement and to break up the excessive mass. Cargo hold cover is recessed.
As a cruiseship, I would leave both funnels since they play off each other and with one funnel the ship loses personality. The aft bay would be diesel electric propulsion and the forward bay would be for the MEP like the Norway.
The balcony deck ends at funnel #1 since at funnel#2 there is not enough real estate for appropriate size cabins. The fan systems would make the area way too noisy.
At the aft I added wind screens for the pool area
As usual, the redesign is to be as invisible as possible and keep the svelte character of the ship.
Thank you Onno for an excellent original to work from
[ 08-25-2003: Message edited by: desirod7 ]
Upon more thought, it shows that class division on ships does more harm than good. Topic was debated before.
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