Log In | Customer Support
Home Book Travel Destinations Hotels Cruises Air Travel Community Search:

Search

Search CruisePage

Book a Cruise
- CruiseServer
- Search Caribbean
- Search Alaska
- Search Europe
- 888.700.TRIP

Book Online
Cruise
Air
Hotel
Car
Cruising Area:

Departure Date:
Cruise Length:

Price Range:

Cruise Line:

Buy Stuff

Reviews
- Ship Reviews
- Dream Cruise
- Ship of the Month
- Reader Reviews
- Submit a Review
- Millennium Cruise

Community
- Photo Gallery
- Join Cruise Club
- Cruise News
- Cruise News Archive
- Cruise Views
- Cruise Jobs
- Special Needs
- Maritime Q & A
- Sea Stories

Industry
- New Ship Guide
- Former Ships
- Port Information
- Inspection Scores
- Shipyards
- Ship Cams
- Ship Tracking
- Freighter Travel
- Man Overboard List
- Potpourri

Shopping
- Shirts & Hats
- Books
- Videos

Contact Us
- Reservations
- Mail
- Feedback
- Suggest-a-Site
- About Us

Reader Sites
- PamM's Site
- Ernst's Site
- Patsy's Site
- Ben's Site
- Carlos' Site
- Chris' Site
- SRead's Site


Cruise Travel - Cruise Talk
Cruise Talk Cruise News

Welcome to Cruise Talk the Internet's most popular discussion forum dedicated to cruising. Stop by Cruise Talk anytime to post a message or find out what your fellow passengers and industry insiders are saying about a particular ship, cruise line or destination.

>>> Reader Reviews
>>> CruisePage.com Photo Gallery
>>> Join Our Cruise Club.

Latest News...Cunard’s newest ship Queen Anne set sail for her homeport of Southampton after officially joining the luxury cruise line’s iconic fleet. Cunard took ownership of their stunning 3,000-guest ship during a traditional handover ceremony at the Fincantieri Marghera shipyard in Venice on Friday (19 April). Crowds joined together at the Fincantieri Marghera shipyard to wave an emotional goodbye...

Latest News...Carnival Cruise Line solidified its position as the leading cruise line in California on Wednesday as it christened its newest ship, Carnival Firenze, at its new home, the Long Beach Cruise Terminal. Hollywood actor Jonathan Bennett served as the ship's godfather, and he and Carnival Cruise Line President Christine Duffy celebrated all things Italian with the help...

Latest News...Royal Caribbean Group last week reported first quarter Earnings per Share ("EPS") of $1.35 and Adjusted EPS of $1.77. These results were better than the company's guidance due to stronger pricing on close-in demand, strength in onboard revenue and favorable timing of expenses. As a result of an exceptional WAVE season and continued strength in demand, Royal Caribbean Group said that it is...

More Cruise News...


Post New Topic  Post A Reply
my profile | register | search | faq | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Cruise Talk   » Cruise Ships   » QV Rendering (Page 3)

UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!  
This topic is comprised of pages:  1  2  3  4  5 
 
Author Topic: QV Rendering
Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 10-03-2006 11:40 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone...how much did QM2 cost and how much is a 'Vista'?
Posts: 19210 | From: Essex (Just Outside London) | Registered: A Long Time Ago!  |  IP: Logged
Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 10-03-2006 12:11 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm, I think, though I am not absolutly sure, that the QM2 cost around Eight hundred million U.S. dallars, maybe a little more . A vista class I don't know.
Posts: 2327 | From: Pasadena just north of Queen Mary | Registered: Sep 2006  |  IP: Logged
Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 10-03-2006 01:01 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember the costs for QV to be around 400 million Euro.

Talking about a 'sister' for QM2 - Freedom of the Seas cost some 750 million Euros.


Posts: 9746 | From: Eindhoven | Registered: Jan 2005  |  IP: Logged
Carlos Fernandez
First Class Passenger
Member # 6432

posted 10-03-2006 01:07 PM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yesterday I recieved the Cunard brochure with QV and it's deckplans, they are very different to the ones of the Vista-class ships.
Posts: 1325 | From: Miami, Florida (Cruise Capital of the World) | Registered: Apr 2006  |  IP: Logged
Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 10-03-2006 02:41 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So A Vista Class is half price the QM2 - Bargain!

Malcolm


Posts: 19210 | From: Essex (Just Outside London) | Registered: A Long Time Ago!  |  IP: Logged
desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 10-03-2006 02:50 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From what I can see, the QV will have more class division than the 2 older Queens. Is the Queens Lounge balcony for Vulgarian class or is it egalitarian.

For long cruises which I believe she will be taking, the nightly formal requirements are a luggage burden.

I never say never, but she is not a unique one off like the QM2, so QV will not be a draw to me.

The interior renderings look like a commitee decision to put Art Deco and mock Edwardian in a blender. Tillberg who is Cunard's interior design firm is not good with retro styles.


Posts: 5727 | From: Philadelphia, Pa [home of the SS United States] | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged
Gerry
First Class Passenger
Member # 168

posted 10-03-2006 02:57 PM      Profile for Gerry     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This was not Tillberg but the Princess In-house team.

The PR efforts of Cunard in the States during QM2's introduction was led by a beautiful redhead. but I am biased as she is now my wife.....


Posts: 315 | From: Miami, Florida, (originally from UK) | Registered: Jun 99  |  IP: Logged
Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 10-03-2006 02:58 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:
Yesterday I recieved the Cunard brochure with QV and it's deckplans, they are very different to the ones of the Vista-class ships.

In what ways?


Posts: 19210 | From: Essex (Just Outside London) | Registered: A Long Time Ago!  |  IP: Logged
Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 10-03-2006 03:04 PM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I compared the deckplans with Arcadia and there are a lot of similarities. Just a few things changed.
Posts: 2023 | From: Hythe, Hants | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged
Jekyll
First Class Passenger
Member # 1878

posted 10-03-2006 03:15 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gerry:
The PR efforts of Cunard in the States during QM2's introduction was led by a beautiful redhead. but I am biased as she is now my wife.....

Gerry - who is this (I am reluctant to post her name) but I can only think of one redhead who was involved in that...does it begin with an "E"?

Regardless - congrats!


Posts: 1524 | From: Nowhere | Registered: Mar 2001  |  IP: Logged
Gerry
First Class Passenger
Member # 168

posted 10-03-2006 03:23 PM      Profile for Gerry     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, Julie was in charge of PR, she was pretty much a one woman show.
Posts: 315 | From: Miami, Florida, (originally from UK) | Registered: Jun 99  |  IP: Logged
desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 10-03-2006 03:31 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gerry,

She did a great job, in April 2004 when she first docked at the NYCPST there were 100's of people getting a gander at her. My 2004 trip was purchased over a year in advance.

Interesting about Tillberg out of the picture here and Princess in-house team here.

quote:
Originally posted by Gerry:
This was not Tillberg but the Princess In-house team.

The PR efforts of Cunard in the States during QM2's introduction was led by a beautiful redhead. but I am biased as she is now my wife.....



Posts: 5727 | From: Philadelphia, Pa [home of the SS United States] | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged
Gerry
First Class Passenger
Member # 168

posted 10-03-2006 04:04 PM      Profile for Gerry     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think she did too. She was involved in the Katie Couric event on board where all the celebs were on board.

We were both on board for the Olympic charter in Athens. I was doing Operations and she was doing PR. One of the highlights for her was giving a tour of the ship to President Bush Snr.


Posts: 315 | From: Miami, Florida, (originally from UK) | Registered: Jun 99  |  IP: Logged
lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 10-03-2006 05:46 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
I remember the costs for QV to be around 400 million Euro.

Talking about a 'sister' for QM2 - Freedom of the Seas cost some 750 million Euros.


I am sure QM2 was more expensive to build than the slighty larger Freedom. QM2 has thicker plate as well as additional/more powerful engines. The big difference is the passenger capacity.


Posts: 7654 | From: Hollywood Hills/L.A. | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged
Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 10-03-2006 06:40 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Construction was completed on schedule. Due to the size of the ship, the luxury of materials, and the fact that, due to her nature as an ocean liner, she required 40% more steel than a standard cruise ship, the final cost ended up being approximately $300,000 US per berth - nearly double that of ships such as Voyager of the Seas, Grand Princess, or Carnival Conquest."

Source: Wikipedia


Posts: 19210 | From: Essex (Just Outside London) | Registered: A Long Time Ago!  |  IP: Logged
Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 10-03-2006 06:56 PM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought completion was late because of the accident. Originally she was due to arrive her before Christmas then it was put back a few days to Boxing Day.
Posts: 2023 | From: Hythe, Hants | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged
Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 10-03-2006 07:43 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gerry:
This was not Tillberg but the Princess In-house team.

You would think that as Gerry and his team made such a wondeful job of the QM2, that they would have been first choice to work on the Queen Vic decor.

This would have automatically given QM2 and QV a connection in terms of decore and style.


Posts: 19210 | From: Essex (Just Outside London) | Registered: A Long Time Ago!  |  IP: Logged
Pascal
First Class Passenger
Member # 5510

posted 10-03-2006 08:24 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gerry:
This was not Tillberg but the Princess In-house team.


Oh that's fortunate, they could have asked Farcus !


Posts: 1371 | From: Aix en Provence | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged
Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 10-03-2006 11:03 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

I am sure QM2 was more expensive to build than the slighty larger Freedom. QM2 has thicker plate as well as additional/more powerful engines. The big difference is the passenger capacity.


The only reason to post this number was to get a a feeling for the order of magnitude we talk about.
The costs of QM2 are often stated to have been 800 million U.S. dollar - she is smaller and this is also some years ago - but it's the same order of magnitude.
My point is that building a ship of this size and costs is not out of reach for a major company. I am sure Carnival could in principle do that - the quesiton is whether the market is strong enough to support 'another QM2' - mind you that HAL and Celebrity are adding capacity - so there seems to be some potential.


Posts: 9746 | From: Eindhoven | Registered: Jan 2005  |  IP: Logged
CGT
First Class Passenger
Member # 3531

posted 10-03-2006 11:50 PM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gerry: This was not Tillberg but the Princess In-house team.

That explains why the Commodore Club looks like a Princess Wheelhouse Bar.


Posts: 2760 | From: New York, New York, USA | Registered: Dec 2002  |  IP: Logged
eroller
First Class Passenger
Member # 1649

posted 10-04-2006 09:42 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CGT:

That explains why the Commodore Club looks like a Princess Wheelhouse Bar.



This is certainly one disadvantage of Princess taking over Cunard. Do we need another set of bland Princess clones floating around? I think not. Just like we don't need more Farcus designed cruise ships, yet they have found their way into Costa.

Princess designed ships sailing under the Cunard banner was a major concern I voiced at the time the consolidation was announced. Hopefully my fears will be put to rest when I actually see QV.

Ernie


Posts: 7046 | From: Miami, Florida USA | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged
Gerry
First Class Passenger
Member # 168

posted 10-04-2006 09:50 AM      Profile for Gerry     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Princess team is a very talented bunch. I for one am looking forward to seeing what they come up with for QV.
Posts: 315 | From: Miami, Florida, (originally from UK) | Registered: Jun 99  |  IP: Logged
Gerry
First Class Passenger
Member # 168

posted 10-04-2006 09:54 AM      Profile for Gerry     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CGT, I think youre a little mixed up. The Commodore club on QM2 was designed by Tillberg's Sweden.

The new QV is under the Princess in house team.

Unless you are talking about a rendering of QV's Commodore Club which I haven't seen.


Posts: 315 | From: Miami, Florida, (originally from UK) | Registered: Jun 99  |  IP: Logged
eroller
First Class Passenger
Member # 1649

posted 10-04-2006 10:01 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gerry:
The Princess team is a very talented bunch. I for one am looking forward to seeing what they come up with for QV.

Teresa Anderson and Giacomo Mortola are the primary designers of all Princess ships. They do an ok job but there is very little deviation or originality in their work. I just disembarked CROWN PRINCESS on Saturday and she is pretty much like every other Princess ship .... once you have seen one, you have pretty much seen them all. This consistency works well for Princess but it's not the right fit for Cunard. Hopefully they can break out of the consistent mold they have been stuck in for the last 10 years and create some originality for QV. I will be very interested to see how many typical materials and design traits used for Princess end up on QV. The Costa ships are so identical to Carnival that even the signage onboard is the same. I hope the same won't be true of QV and future Cunard ships.

Ernie


Posts: 7046 | From: Miami, Florida USA | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged
desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 10-04-2006 10:23 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have spoken with Andy Collier of Tillberg, Franz Dingemanns of VFD, and Joe Farcus at Sea Trade.

However complicated a land based commercial interior design job is, quadruple it for a ship.

The old ships of state had designers and architects to push the envelope of technology and the ships be a showcase for their country. Love or hate the original France or BigU, the 2 ships were very clever and original in the use of plastics and aluminum.

Henry Dreyfuss who did the Indy and Connie, designed the interiors and all of the graphics for signage, menus, baggage tags, and tickets.

Raymond Loewy did the same for the SS Brasil and Argentina.

The 4 ships had an integrated unified look

Today marketing committees hire designers to create a nostalgic or ersatz theme that will appeal to the masses. It is called kitsch. We end up with a plastic wooded QM2. A Toscana dining room that is Tuscon, Arizona and resembles nothing from Tuscany.

PS: the extra 10m on the QV is for the bow. QV will be beefed up more than the other Vistas for the world cruise service and X-Atlantic runs. QV can cruise 2 knots faster too than the other Vistas.

If the Carnival, HAL, or Costa Vista class are a VW Passat, Queen Victoria is an Audi A4.

[ 10-04-2006: Message edited by: desirod7 ]


Posts: 5727 | From: Philadelphia, Pa [home of the SS United States] | Registered: Oct 2000  |  IP: Logged

All times are ET (US)
This topic is comprised of pages:  1  2  3  4  5 
 

Post New Topic  Post A Reply Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | CruisePage

Infopop Corporation
Ultimate Bulletin BoardTM 6.1.0.3

VACATION & CRUISE SPECIALS
Check out these great deals from CruisePage.com

Royal Caribbean - Bahamas Getaway from $129 per person
Description: Experience the beautiful ports of Nassau and Royal Caribbean's private island - CocoCay on a 3-night Weekend Getaway to the Bahamas. Absorb everything island life has to offer as you snorkel with the stingrays, parasail above the serene blue waters and walk the endless white sand beaches. From Miami.
Carnival - 4-Day Bahamas from $229 per person
Description: Enjoy a wonderful 3 Day cruise to the fun-loving playground of Nassau, Bahamas. Discover Nassau, the capital city as well as the cultural, commercial and financial heart of the Bahamas. Meet the Atlantic Southern Stingrays, the guardians of Blackbeard's treasure.
NCL - Bermuda - 7 Day from $499 per person
Description: What a charming little chain of islands. Walk on pink sand beaches. Swim and snorkel in turquoise seas. Take in the historical sights. They're stoically British and very quaint. Or explore the coral reefs. You can get to them by boat or propelled by fins. You pick. Freestyle Cruising doesn't tell you where to go or what to do. Sure, you can plan ahead, or decide once onboard. After all, it's your vacation. There are no deadlines or must do's.
Holland America - Eastern Caribbean from From $599 per person
Description: White sand, black sand, talcum soft or shell strewn, the beaches of the Eastern Caribbean invite you to swim, snorkel or simply relax. For shoppers, there's duty-free St. Thomas, the Straw Market in Nassau, French perfume and Dutch chocolates on St. Maarten. For history buffs, the fascinating fusion of Caribbean, Latin and European cultures. For everyone, a day spent on HAL's award winning private island Half Moon Cay.
Celebrity - 7-Night Western Mediterranean from $549 per person
Description: For centuries people have traveled to Europe to see magnificent ruins, art treasures and natural wonders. And the best way to do so is by cruise ship. Think of it - you pack and unpack only once. No wasted time searching for hotels and negotiating train stations. Instead, you arrive at romantic ports of call relaxed, refreshed and ready to take on the world.
Holland America - Alaska from From $499 per person
Description: Sail between Vancouver and Seward, departing Sundays on the ms Statendam or ms Volendam and enjoy towering mountains, actively calving glaciers and pristine wildlife habitat. Glacier Bay and College Fjord offer two completely different glacier-viewing experiences.

| Home | About Us | Suggest-a-Site | Feedback | Contact Us | Privacy |
This page, and all contents, are © 1995-2021 by Interactive Travel Guides, Inc. and/or its suppliers. All rights reserved.
TravelPage.com is a trademark of Interactive Travel Guides, Inc.
Powered by TravelServer Software