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lebelty
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posted 07-03-2006 10:14 AM      Profile for lebelty   Email lebelty   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
from seatrade insider:
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Where to next for MSC Cruises?
3/7/2006
With the arrival of eighth ship MSC Musica and the prospect of four more newbuilds delivering in the next three years, MSC Cruises must be seriously considering whether to sell its three older ships Monterey (built 1952), Melody (1982) and Rhapsody (1987).
'Our older tonnage is very well maintained and in good condition and I can comfirm we have already planned our itineraries up to end 2007 and all nine ships (90,000gt MSC Orchestra arrives next year) will be deployed,' said ceo Pierfrancesco Vago last week in Venice.

That ensures another eighteen months of sailing in MSC livery for the three older ships and, Vago confirmed, 'We are starting to look at new deployment areas for our older tonnage.'

In a new departure for the line it will position Monterey in South Africa year-round starting 2007. After a three-year absence from the South African market MSC Rhapsody was based in Durban and Cape Town last winter. For winter 2006/07 MSC will have two ships in the market with Monterey and Melody.

In addition to its strong presence in the Mediterranean, the brand is currently operating in North Europe, South America, the Caribbean and South Africa. It is looking to increase its presence in the North American market and will most likely put a ship out of New York year-round. 'With five new ships in three years we will have a ship in the US year-round but it just takes time,' said Vago.

Rick Sasso head of MSC Cruises USA, in Venice to eye Musica, told Seatrade Insider, 'We would love to have a ship like this in the US. Maybe we'll get MSC Poesia (delivering March 2008),' he hinted with a smile. Vago confirmed the US will have a third ship soon and then a fourth year-round.

Asked about the decision to keep Musica in the Med during winter 2006/07 instead of putting her in the Caribbean despite the fact the ship does not have a Magrodome Vago said, 'It's purely down to economics and the exploding Med market. At the moment we can earn a better per diem in euros than we can in dollars.'

Asked about newbuilding plans after the current programme at Aker Yards France is complete Vago said 'our growth is not indefinite. We want to be a main player in Europe.' Any newbuild plans after 2010? '2011 could be very interesting year. You know MSC has a lot of experience of building new ships in Korea,' he quipped.


tyler


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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 07-03-2006 10:44 AM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does anyone ever consider that it's a violation of copyright to post Seatrade's articles, along with Travel Weekly, etc, in whole, on other websites?

Tim


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Linerrich
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posted 07-03-2006 10:51 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Joe K. has addressed this issue before--it's best to provide a link to the website rather than just copying the article onto Cruise Talk.

Rich


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jeremya
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posted 07-03-2006 09:29 PM      Profile for jeremya   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In University we learn about plagiarism... If you quote an article, writer, author (cite the source) ...

If you are taking an article from somewhere, cite the location and source and writer, this is no different. Also Provide a link to the original source location.

Like a blog crossing into journalism, I cite sources and locations when posting information taken. If its not your work, then tell us who's it is.

A little university ethics response.

Because I know how so many "Ct'ers" are about being right!


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lebelty
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posted 07-03-2006 09:47 PM      Profile for lebelty   Email lebelty   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I post where I get from, seatrade insider (but if you guys think you will sleep better at night knowing the address of it it is:
http://www.cruise-community.com/Headlines.asp )

tyler


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eroller
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posted 07-03-2006 10:00 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lebelty:
I post where I get from, seatrade insider (but if you guys think you will sleep better at night knowing the address of it it is:
http://www.cruise-community.com/Headlines.asp )

tyler


It's not easy to post a link to Seatrade articles as you have to be a subscriber for the link to actually work.

I know it might not be "kosher" or even legal to post the full articles, but Tyler does at least post the source. I have to admit that posting the full article opens up far more more dialog than just a link.

Ernie


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Ernst
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posted 07-03-2006 10:07 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Citing the source and posting the link is maybe better - but it does NOT make it legal - unless one has the explicit permission of the copyright holder or actally is the copyright holder - mind you that the copyright holder it is not required to point that out.

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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 07-03-2006 10:22 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lebelty:
I post where I get from, seatrade insider (but if you guys think you will sleep better at night knowing the address of it it is:
http://www.cruise-community.com/Headlines.asp )

tyler


Tyler,

my point was/is, that posting the article in its entirety, link or no link, is copyright infringement.

It's one thing to say 'I read on Seatrade Insider that that Fred Olsen is going to name their next ship Balmoral and such and such said "blah de blah de blah". I think such and so on. The full article can be read here: LINK'

It's quite another to re-post an entire article without permission.

And Tyler, please don't think I'm singling you out. In another thread, someone brought up another website that habitually publishes copyrighted materials (without permission) and this post came across and I chose to use this as an example.

I've had many of my articles boosted without permission and I personally know many of the publishers and editors of these materials, so it strikes a nerve with me as I see it all time here, in Cruisecritic and many other forums.

--Tim


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eroller
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posted 07-03-2006 10:39 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just be sure not to post any the "exclusive" material from CND (Cruise New Daily)! That is where you will get into real trouble!

Ernie


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lebelty
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posted 07-03-2006 10:45 PM      Profile for lebelty   Email lebelty   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:

Tyler,

my point was/is, that posting the article in its entirety, link or no link, is copyright infringement.

It's one thing to say 'I read on Seatrade Insider that that Fred Olsen is going to name their next ship Balmoral and such and such said "blah de blah de blah". I think such and so on. The full article can be read here: LINK'

It's quite another to re-post an entire article without permission.

And Tyler, please don't think I'm singling you out. In another thread, someone brought up another website that habitually publishes copyrighted materials (without permission) and this post came across and I chose to use this as an example.

I've had many of my articles boosted without permission and I personally know many of the publishers and editors of these materials, so it strikes a nerve with me as I see it all time here, in Cruisecritic and many other forums.

--Tim


Point taken Tim. I know how to do it properly (i have the books to prove it), its just that I can get lazy and take the (illegal) way.

tyler

PS: I didnt think you were signling me out. It was just a general statement I made.


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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 07-03-2006 10:48 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lebelty:

I know how to do it properly (i have the books to prove it), its just that I can get lazy and take the (illegal) way.

tyler


You'll make an excellent Lawyer or Marketing Exec someday!

Tim


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lebelty
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posted 07-03-2006 11:03 PM      Profile for lebelty   Email lebelty   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:

You'll make an excellent Lawyer or Marketing Exec someday!

Tim


Working on that now

Thanks

Tyler


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