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Ernst
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posted 12-03-2005 07:44 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Which ships do you think were in the history of passenger ships historically, aesthetically or technically important? Please try to limit yourself to the utmost important ships and -if you want - explain why you nominated them.

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Onno
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posted 12-03-2005 07:56 AM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Ernst,

Three years ago Joe and I were doing research for the “Evolution of the Ocean Liner Poster” that I made (see the left menu) back then we also had a similar topic.

Here is the link

I would be interested to hear your list of ships.

Onno


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 12-03-2005 09:44 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Onno's great poster concentrates on Ocean Liner evolution, rather than cruise ship. Of course the QE2 and QM2 are both hybrids.

However, there must be a number of ships that have advanced the design of cruise ship. The SS France's conversion to become the boggest Caribbean cruise ship springs to mind. RCI's floating resorts, inc. 'Voyager' and 'Carnival's' funships must have also played an important role?


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desirod7
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posted 12-03-2005 10:12 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Had NCL not converted LeFrance to a cruiseship as a destination in itself and the biggest week in the world. RCCL would never have gone one better with the Soveriegn, then Voyager ships.

Essentially NCL proved against the conventional wisdom at the time that a megaship can be profitable and something the cruising public wants to buy.

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Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
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However, there must be a number of ships that have advanced the design of cruise ship. The SS France's conversion to become the boggest Caribbean cruise ship springs to mind. RCI's floating resorts, inc. 'Voyager' QB]

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mec1
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posted 12-03-2005 10:25 AM      Profile for mec1   Author's Homepage   Email mec1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great Britain for so many obvious reasons....
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 12-03-2005 07:52 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lurline Class-for their superior engineering and incredibly long service careers.
Southern Cross-engines aft (even though she was not the 1st) she had an exciting new look.
Rotterdam V-combining old World style with a modern twist.
Canberra-for design elements (from nearly 50 years ago) seen on most of today's cruise ships.
QE2-reborn many times and still around after nearly 40 years of service.

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LeBarryboat
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posted 12-03-2005 09:19 PM      Profile for LeBarryboat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oceanic - transition between liner & "modern" cruise ship design.

Song of America - test ship for the mega ship designs that lead to Sovereign-class.

Tropicale - prototype for the modern Carnival Cruise ship.

Voyager of the Seas - Ice rink, and unusual amenities onboard a cruise ship.


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posted 12-04-2005 01:33 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know if it has been mentioned before, but the SS France had quite a unique funnel design with the large 'wings' that diverted engine exhaust and soot...was she the first to have a design like that?

What other liners/cruiseships before her had singularly unique or one-of-a-kind funnel designs that made them stand out, designs other than the typical round (tubular) or teardrop shaped (i.e Normandie), etc....

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NAL
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posted 12-04-2005 08:16 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Although small, slow and terrible seaboats, HAL's
Ryndam and Maasdam of '51 and '52 were the
first to offer two-classes on Transatlantic runs.
They were enormously successful and led the
road to many others.....Statendam of '57, the
Rotterdam of '59, the Saxonia sisters, the last
three CP liners among others. Let's not forget
the France of '62 also.

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posted 12-04-2005 01:29 PM      Profile for Frank X. Prudent   Email Frank X. Prudent   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Str. MISSISSIPPI QUEEN. She was the first overnight paddlewheel steamboat built tn America in nearly 50 years. She was the first steamboat to be built from the inside out with passenger comfort being James Gardner's primary concern. And never before had a steamboat built to operate on the Mississippi River System been designed to carry overnight passengers alone and no freight.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 12-04-2005 01:30 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dmwnc1:
I don't know if it has been mentioned before, but the SS France had quite a unique funnel design with the large 'wings' that diverted engine exhaust and soot...

I'm not sure that they worked very well as NCL re-routed the fumes out of the top of the funnels via pipes.

The Carnival Funnel (which I personally hate) is almost a homage to the SS France.


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Ernst
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posted 12-04-2005 01:45 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Finnjet - the gas turbine propulsion plant, the on this vessel introduced vertical separation of cabins and public rooms and also the size and speed make him an outstanding vessel.
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Ernst
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posted 12-05-2005 10:40 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Royal Princess - introduced the layout/concept which is still used for nearly any ship built today.
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eroller
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posted 12-05-2005 11:36 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
Oceanic - transition between liner & "modern" cruise ship design.

Song of America - test ship for the mega ship designs that lead to Sovereign-class.

Tropicale - prototype for the modern Carnival Cruise ship.

Voyager of the Seas - Ice rink, and unusual amenities onboard a cruise ship.



For the modern day cruise industry, I agree with all of these choices. It's hard to say, but I might substitute SILJA SERENADE for VOYAGER OF THE SEAS since she really offered the first "Royal Promenade". I would also add ROYAL PRINCESS as a fifth choice. A special nod goes to ELATION for being the first cruise ship to use a pod propulsion system. I think almost any new ship sailing today can pay homage to one of these six ships.

Ernie

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Ernst
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posted 12-05-2005 11:47 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Radisson Diamond - a cul-de-sac but still worth mentioning.
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Italianliners
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posted 12-05-2005 04:55 PM      Profile for Italianliners   Email Italianliners   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

i think it must be the first purpose built cruise liner. Is it Southern Cross?

Italianliners


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Glencoe
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posted 12-06-2005 05:24 AM      Profile for Glencoe   Email Glencoe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Personally I think CP's second Empress Of Britain as it was like the QE2 a hybrid, built to run transatlantic in the summer and then with two props shipped, cruising in the winter. It also is a personal favourite of mine though I am way too young to have ever traveled on her.
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linerguy
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posted 12-06-2005 03:20 PM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Southen Cross was not the first purpose built cruise liner....it was Augusta Victoria, built for Hapag in 1891.

Here are my additions to the milestone topic:

Imperator - The first ship to exceed 50,000-tons.
Normandie - The first ship to exceed 1,000-ft.
QM2 - The first liner to exceed 1,100-ft.

As far as unusual funnels, I'd add both Michelangelo and Raffaello, their lattice stacks were extremely cool!

Russ


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 12-06-2005 03:36 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

I'm not sure that they worked very well as NCL re-routed the fumes out of the top of the funnels via pipes.

The Carnival Funnel (which I personally hate) is almost a homage to the SS France.


I remember reading that the wing exhausts on Norway were no longer used because they needed costly repairs. It was cheaper to route the exhaust using standard pipes.


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desirod7
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posted 12-06-2005 03:46 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Empress of Britain II was built for 1/5 the cost of the Normandie and by no means was 1/5 the ship.

quote:
Originally posted by Glencoe:
Personally I think CP's second Empress Of Britain as it was like the QE2 a hybrid, built to run transatlantic in the summer and then with two props shipped, cruising in the winter. It also is a personal favourite of mine though I am way too young to have ever traveled on her.

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