I was watching TV last night. A daughter had called from the top of one of the towers to tell her family that she was o.k. That was before the collapse. Nothing after that. The father now watches TV 24 hours a day with his hand clutched on the phone.

This story is getting played out, thousands, if not millions of times in this country. I, personally, did not know if my brother was safe. He could have been in either NYC or the Pentagon. The feeling is terrible.

While it is unlikely that I will face a personal attack, I don't feel safe. I don't know how the "bad guys" are. I don't know if a bridge that I cross is safe. (It is alleged that a bridge was wired to be bombed.)

My God My God.....God Bless America...We need to pray...I have been reading the many posts on this thread where God is mentioned, and yet I have been condemned recently, and scoffed at, for speaking out about what God has to say about issues in the Bible. It takes a tragedy like we have seen in the last few days for people reach out to God, but why not reach out to God every day, even when there is no tragedy? I don't claim to have the answer as to why God has allowed this horrible event to occur, but historically, when people and nations are faced with tragedy, they most often reach out to God for answers and help. The sin nature in man is what caused this tragedy. I have been reading on these message boards that we must be tolerant of other's beliefs and lifestyles. Unfortunately and historically, America has become more and more tolerant towards sin. The "world" says that we are to be tolerant, but this is not what God says. We are to love people, but hate sin. Look at our history in America...The Ten Commandments were removed from our classrooms across America all in the name of tolerance, Prayer in schools has been abolished and made against the law, innocent babies are being killed every day and our government has just turned away and has become tolerant of the mass murders, Cities and states are trying to remove the national motto..."In God We Trust" from our money. America has been moving away from God and trying to remove God from this country. There are even coalitions that are trying to rewrite in the text books the history of America so that it doesn't reflect the FACT that this country was founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Biblical principles. Nearly ALL of the founders of this great nation were bible-believing, church-going Christians. The terminology..."separation of Church and State" has been mis-interpreted. God has been slowly removed and ignored by this country. America has become tolerant too long. God is a gentleman, and when a country decides to go it's own way without Him, He steps aside. I believe this horrible tragedy is an opportunity for Americans to regain their desire to draw closer to God. This tragedy is a wake-up call and God is right their waiting to comfort those who seek Him. Don't let it be too late for you. You never know when your life will end. Those people who boarded those planes never thought that their lives would end that day and hour. Every single person on earth will one day come face-to-face with Jesus....the question is...is God a part of your life? Those who know God in a personal way, will know for sure that they will go to heaven when they die, and that all their sin is forgiven. Is your sin forgiven?
My prayer for this nation:

Heavenly Father, please forgive us for not taking you seriously and be with us in this great time of loss within our country. Give us mercy and draw us closer to you. Oh Lord, please console the hearts and draw near to those who have lost a mother, a father, a son or daughter, a cousin, a friend, a husband or a wife. God I pray that you will bless this nation in it's time of sorrow. Give our President and Government officials wisdom as they make decisions to bring justice to those who have committed this terrible attack. I pray for each member of this fun message board, that you will touch their hearts, and draw them closer to you. In Jesus Name....amen.

For anyone on this board who does not know God in a personal way, and would like to know God....if you live in the USA here is a toll-free number you can call. You won't be signing up for a church or denomination, and you won't be put on a mailing list, there will be a live person for you to talk to with questions about how you can actually develop a relationship with the creator of the universe..God. That number is: (1-888-NEED HIM or 1-888-633-3446).

God bless you all, and God bless America!

[ 09-14-2001: Message edited by: Barryboat ]

CIA makes bin Laden and Taliban great, to fight in Afghanistan against the Russians.

It is the same with Saddam Hussein: Iran People hijacked the US Embassy, US Army try
to fight them (under Carter). They make mistakes and loose.

Then they have the Idea to give much Money and Weapons to Saddam Hussein, to fight Iran.

Hussein starts war, for 7 years with some Million killed Persons.

Later Iraq was poor and Hussein remembers, that Kuwait has a lot of Oil and Money and is a separated former Province of Iraq.

So he tried to take them, and America was wondered, what their former "Friend" did.

The Russians go out in Afghanistan in 1989
with about 1 Million killed Russian Red Army Members.

Osama bin Laden needs an new Enemy, and the American Government supports the Taliban until 1995 for Oil-interests in this Region.

This is now the Result of this Politics...

By the way: CIA was warned, that this week will be an big Terrorist Act.

The Warning comes from Darmstadt, Germany, from an Iran Prisoner, who sits in our Jail.
He should be brought back to Iran later.

He insisted in a Telephone Call to CIA and
German Authorities allow this. When he was asked by CIA who he is and told, he is an Iran Prisoner in Germany, they interrupt
the Telephone Call and do not believe him.

Then he insisted in sending an Fax to the President. This time, he was not allowed by the German Authorities, because they do not believe him, too.

Bless you for having the courage and conviction for defending your faith in this terrible time of suffering. I believe that each and every human being should nurture their soul, because in the END, that is all that we will have. At the hour of our death, everything that we have done, or have been, will be reflected BACK at us. Our soul never lies. We CANNOT hide the truth from God.

GOD ... It's amazing that most Atheists realizing that their death is near, will cry
out " Oh My God "

Your post said it all my friend, and I respect you for having the courage to speak out.

My heart goes out to all of the survivors and surviving relatives who are suffering .

GOD bless EVERYONE, GOD bless America, and GOD bless you !

Highest regards,

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Originally posted by Barryboat:

I have been condemned recently, and scoffed at, for speaking out about what God has to say about issues in the Bible. God bless you all, and God bless America!

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I saw the Trade Center go down live from Newark NJ that morning driving to a business meeting.

Lets not forget that the World Trade Center, the Iran-Iraq war, 52 American hostages, and all the other terrorist atrocities are done in the name of Allah.

People who declare holy war, believe they will go to heavan for killing the so called enemy!

In America we had Jonestown and the Branch Davidians. David Koresh was diddling the little girls there.

Fundamentalist anything is twisting what religion is supposed to be about!

Who's God are we talking about? Jesus, Allah, Yaweh, Dahli Lhama?

Every fanatic saying they have the answer to what God wants, always will have conflicting views, this is what starts this insanity and most of the conflicts of the world thru-out history.

Most fanatics selectively distort the bible, and Koran to promote their own agenda.

Barryboat, you mention Jesus, is a non-Christian going to hell who does not hurt anybody?

You have been pounded on this board, not for religion, but using it as a crutch for your bigotry and self-rightiousness.

It was the most terrible War in our History, World War II is nothing against this:

Starting in 1618 and going until 1648.

On one side the Roman Catholics, Pope in Rome and Emperor in Vienna, "Holy Roman Empire of German Nation", their Field-Marshals Wallenstein and Tilly,

on the other side some smaller Protestand Countries from Middle and Eastern Germany, helped by King Gustav Adolf of Sweden with 50000 of his best Fighters and King Christian of Denmark.

Gustav Adolf fall in War in 1632, he leads his Army himself.

Today there is an Social Company of the Protestant Church in Germany, called "Gustav-Adolf-Works". It is like Catholic "Caritas"

In this time, 80 per Cent of all People in this Country are killed.

The war ends without Victory for one Side, they come together in Augsburg, Bavaria in
1655 and discuss the Future...

Both Sides made the War in the Name of the Right Christian Believe, the one believes in Pope of Rome and their Holy's, the other
believes not in Pope and Holy's, only in the Bible.

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Originally posted by desirod6
Fundamentalist anything is twisting what religion is supposed to be
about!

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"I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE. No One comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well" John 14:6-7

Another scripture which stands strong is:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son." John 3:16-18

Desirod, you asked the question,"will a non-Christian go to hell?" That's not for me or anyone to determine except for God. Many of these other faiths require followers to do good works in order to get to heaven, but not Christianity. A Christian is given the FREE GIFT of salvation not by works, but by faith in God. Some religions promote fear. Our God is a God of Love but who is also a God of justice. The bottom line is that we all deserve hell for our sin nature because God is holy and will not tolerate sin, which is why God sent his Son Jesus into this world so that when we someday stand before God in Judgement, Jesus will be there as our counsel and say of those who believe in him, I died so that this man or woman may not be condemned of their sin....This person believes in me and their sin is forgiven. Sadly, those who do not believe in Jesus, according to the Bible, will be condemned to eternal separation from God.

Desirod, I am bothered that you say that I am bigoted and self-righteous....that is against my nature and is simply not true. I stand for what I know is truth. As I believed in Jesus and trust him with my life and seek forgiveness through him, I know that my sin is forgiven, and I know that I will go to heaven when I die. God has transformed me from a person who was born with a sin nature to a man who has the Spirit of God living within. A man without faith in God cannot understand this, so I challenge you to take that leap of faith and begin to trust in God. Then you will not see me as bigoted or self-righteous, but rather as a brother.

Again for those who want to accept this FREE GIFT of eternal life in heaven and forgiveness of sin, call this number....1-888-633-3446

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Originally posted by Barryboat:
Desirod, my response to you is a direct quote from Jesus:

"I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE. No One comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well" John 14:6-7

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Originally posted by Barryboat:

Desirod, my response to you is a direct quote from Jesus:
"I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE. No One comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well" John 14:6-7

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Actually, I suspect that is not really a direct quote from Jesus. I wasn't there mind you, but I don't think he spoke English and as I understand things, the words attributed to him are based on documents that were written some time after the events.

Let's not lose sight of the big picture... Call me a crazy dreamer, but I kinda believe if everyone in this world could put their personal agenda's aside and try to do what is right for their fellow earthling, this would make The Big Guy Upstairs happy and things like the events of Tuesday might not happen so often.

- Barry, I took the liberty of editing your post down to it's essence. I hope you don't mind.

Joe at TravelPage.com

I wanted to add, I fully subscribe to the words expressed above by Dimitry, Rex and Desirod6 (sorry if I forgot someone).

Nevertheless, there are far more important things than what we can read here or there in forums and, maybe one day, we will stop that kind of steril quarrels and we all be able to speak about cruises and ships with a good, respectful and fair spirit. Let's not change this topic in quarrels between religions, opinions or in out of place opportunism. That's not respectful.

I'm sorry if my post bothered someone here during these moments but my emotion and ire were too big to retain myself, probably a consequence of the events themselves too.
However, that's really small things in comparison of the wounds that this tagedy did to the victims and their close relatives.
I trust in their courage and strength now.
My thoughts for them.