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steeplechase
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posted 09-30-2006 07:08 AM      Profile for steeplechase   Author's Homepage   Email steeplechase   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Years ago I think you could ship a car on the Queen Elizabeth to England I don't think they do it anymore. Does anybody know?
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-30-2006 07:20 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think you can still on the QE2 only?

Anyone?


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Pascal
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posted 09-30-2006 08:09 AM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bringing your car was possible with most ocean liners which had a significant cargo hold. You could drive to Southampton, your car was boarded and you took it back in New York.
Now, only QE2 still has this feature (I think). But as she was replaced on the Atlantic run, and as she now only do cruises (and not crossings), I don't think they still offer this amenity .

As far as I know, QM2 hasn't a cargo hold.


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desirod7
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posted 09-30-2006 08:58 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A friend here's Dad brought his Fiat 128 over from Genoa on the Michelangelo.

Another had their 1968 Chevy Impala wagon shipped on the Leo Da Vinci to Italy and back for a 2 month vacation. It got a lot of stares since it was so big and vulgar. Little kids thought of it as a caravan.

Olympia had a garage for 20 cars as did Rembrandterdam. Later the areas were turned into other storage.

A few Chrysler concept cars, the Norseman in particular went down on the Andrea Doria.

To my understanding, the gas tank of the car has to be drained. Further the car is searched by hand plus bomb and drug sniffing dogs.

They are a greater terrorist threat than old ladies from Boca in wheel chairs.


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Pascal
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posted 09-30-2006 09:19 AM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:
To my understanding, the gas tank of the car has to be drained. Further the car is searched by hand plus bomb and drug sniffing dogs.

They are a greater terrorist threat than old ladies from Boca in wheel chairs.


On this side of the Atlantic, this is simply impossible, David. Here in Europe we have ferries transporting 700 or 800 cars which need to be embarked in often less than an hour. There are often a few customs officers with dogs, but they can only control 10 or 20 cars at most. And unless the dog smells something, there is no search by hand. Draining car gas tank is impossible as well as it would require having gas station on the docks to resupply the disembarking cars. More over all this would be a very long operation. Can you imagine the traffic jams ?

All this would make the embakation and debarkation take days instead of only minutes.


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Linerrich
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posted 09-30-2006 09:37 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In the old days of liners, when cars had to be hoisted up and dropped down into a cargo hatch, the gas tanks were drained. It was a lengthy procedure to get your car loaded and off-loaded; sometimes you could not receive your car until the day after the ship docked.

In more recent decades, with drive-through side hatches, such as on QE2, the autos were simply driven on board, like on a ferry, and the gas tanks were not drained.

Rich


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Jekyll
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posted 09-30-2006 01:24 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually that is not completely correct...we used to book cars on QE2 in the Toronto office and there was a minimum amount of gas allowed in the car (I think it was 1/4 tank) and the tires had to be deflated to a certain degree...the pax never drove them onboard that was done by shoreshide staff - essentially the car was only allowed to contain enough fuel to get it on and off the ship and the tires had to be sufficiently deflated.

As I know QE2 is still the only ship to offer this service and now that she doesn't do T/As (regularly) the only other option is freighter - which could take weeks.

I remember when QM2 was being designed the question came up )from Sales People at a Sales Meeting - so take it for what it is worth) and the decision was made not to continue this tradition....

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Ernst
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posted 09-30-2006 01:41 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...which is a bit surprising. I expect that there is a a small niche of people who might want to travel with their cars across the Atlantic in a short time and are prepared to pay for that - this are not necessarily ship enthusiasts. (oltimer etc. come to my mind)

The questions is how competitive fast container services or even planes are in this segment - but I am still surprised that QM2 is not offering that.


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PamM
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posted 09-30-2006 01:56 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How many people do ship their cars these days though? In days of yore a car was a huge outlay and buying a new one overseas could be costly. Now the cost of shipping a car is little different from buying a new one where ever you may be going. [I am just referring to the 'ordinary' cars not vintage or specialist ones].

When people moved overseas in the 60s etc they nearly always took their car.. does anyone these days? There are plenty of US plated vehicles around here, but that's because the US forces bring them over at no cost for their personnel on I expect US Navy ships. I doubt there would be any if they had to pay.

Pam


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-30-2006 02:06 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cars have almost become 'consumables', plus car hire is now common place.
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posted 09-30-2006 02:06 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am not talking about ordinary cars - this does hardly make any sense - such a service would be interesting for (very) expensive and rare cars.
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Onno
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posted 09-30-2006 04:52 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Cars have almost become 'consumables', plus car hire is now common place.

Isn’t every thing these days? Back when I studied graphic design during marketing classes we learned about the behavior of the consumer in relation to convenient, shopping and specialty goods. It looks like nowadays everything has become a convenient good, price doesn’t matter (you can get a loan for every little futility) and people don’t even consider thinking for a second before purchasing.


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posted 09-30-2006 05:18 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Back in 1982 or '83 some wealthy friends from London were going to ship their new Rolls over w/them on QE2 for a long driving trip in the States. It was the new Silver Spirit model not available in the States at that time (the older Silver Shadow model apparently could fit throught the doors). When the car arrived at the Southampton docks it was determined that the car would NOT fit through the QE2s garage doors. Cunard had to make arrangements for the car to be shipped to New York on a cargo ship and my friends crossed on QE2. The car arrived a few weeks later in New Jersey on a slow cargo ship and their road trip began ending up on the West coast. It was quite fun riding around L.A. in this new RR model that was not seen in the States for another year.
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Onno
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posted 09-30-2006 05:56 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to the book “QE2, sailing into the new millennium” she can carry 12 cars, depending on the tide the forward or aft drive-on drive-off facilities can be used, special lifts which can carry 5-ton loads decent the cars to the holds on Seven and Eight decks. There is even a turntable. The picture shows at least three cars, in the foreground is a Ferrari Testarossa. (picture must be taken somewhere around 1989)

Nowadays you can practically lease any new brand of car on either side of the ocean. If for some reason you want your very own car with you I guess it would be better to ship your car via container in advance and fly over when it has arrived.

Onno


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steeplechase
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posted 09-30-2006 06:12 PM      Profile for steeplechase   Author's Homepage   Email steeplechase   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I posted the question only because I have a 1969 442 Converble that I would like to tool around in Europe then maybe sell it there. I know I can freight it but a Ocean liner would add another cool story to a car.
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posted 09-30-2006 06:30 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That true, make sure that you get a certificate from Cunard as proof.

That reminds me of a picture taken on CRISTOFORO COLOMBO, her promenade was wide enough to have a car parked there without being an obstruction to the passengers (wonder if it got a parking ticked)

Onno


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 09-30-2006 06:49 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In a Bill Miller book, there is an aerial pic of a 1959 Cadillac Coupe on the aft decks of the ss Constitution. The car (which measures approx. 19 feet x 6 feet) is parked on the aft deck after being lifted from the cargo hold in this picture taken as the ship is about to dock at her NYC pier. In the past, some wealthy Americans would take their cars w/them on their long European vacations. I cannot imagine driving a full sized 1950s or 60s American car in a European city-it is hard enough here. I know an elderly lady here in L.A. who lived in Monaco in the 1950s and early 1960s and drove her 1956 Thunderbird all over Europe. She STILL has that car and it has the original Monaco badges on the rear bumper. It was shipped over and back on an Italian line ship (she does not remember which one) and on a train back to L.A.. That is a way to travel!
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posted 09-30-2006 06:51 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by steeplechase:
I posted the question only because I have a 1969 442 Converble that I would like to tool around in Europe then maybe sell it there. I know I can freight it but a Ocean liner would add another cool story to a car.

This is precisely what I meant - one can of course buy or rent more or less ANY new car on both sides of the ocean (in the extreme case on would have to import it in advance) - but there are actually quite 'a lot' of people who have special cars - old ones, modified ones etc. - and I bet this clientel would like the idea to be on the same ship as their car.

I am surprised that Cunard came to the conclusion that it is not worth offering such a service.

I am also surprised that none of the luxury ships offeres such a service - I am not talking about hundereds of cars but just some. I know this would NOT be easy but I guess some people would like to take their car on a cruise and ARE prepared to pay for that.


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posted 09-30-2006 07:01 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

This is a Mauretania Class car carrier. Seems a few may have been lost, judging by the number of tyres hanging over the side

Pam

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posted 09-30-2006 07:07 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is Gerry's word on the matter: Q: Can I take my car on the QM2?

Unfortunately not. We decided against a car garage for a number of reasons. It uses an awful lot of space which could be utilized for cabins. The MCA regulations are a lot tougher now and the fire suppression system would have been very expensive and complex. There are not that many people taking them anymore and it does not earn much money on QE2.

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posted 09-30-2006 07:38 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As a school boy returning to the States in June of 1966 a/b Rotterdam V, we had a great number of cars on board. It was the time of the seamen's strike in England and the Rotterdam was filled to the last birth with pax from several British ships on board. There were so many cars that several were parked on the promenade deck. I don't remember how many, but at least four and probably more. I guess the ship's garage was filled so the enclosed promenade was also used.
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posted 10-01-2006 10:35 PM      Profile for steeplechase   Author's Homepage   Email steeplechase   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was once part of a cargo plane heading for Dubai and there was a Toyota onboard with us. Don't remember the model but it was nothing special like a Camray or something. They put it on the 747 with a lift in Montreal. Guess maybe the jets stole the cars as with the passengers?
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posted 10-02-2006 12:39 AM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As late as 84 you could take a car with you on Canberra.It was actually an incentive to book the long cruise out to NZ/Aus as you could buy a car in Britain and bring it home with you as luggage.
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posted 10-02-2006 01:17 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And there is the European delivery program offered by makes such as Mercedes, BMW etc.. You order your US spec. car at a US dealer then after several months pick it up at the factory in Europe. You are allowed to drive it for a set period of time before you drop it off for shipment to the States.
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posted 10-02-2006 09:50 AM      Profile for chateausmith   Email chateausmith   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Back in the early 60's there was a company called Pan-Ocean ship a car systems with an office at The Mount Royal Hotel at Marble Arch in London, but I doubt if they still exist. Cheers !
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