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NAL
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posted 09-28-2006 02:19 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those are sad pictures of her sinking. I believe she
was another who sunk while being towed to the breakers.
I met some people on the Homeric in 1972 who loved the Bremen and were very disappointed when she was no longer used in the NY market.
I believe she became unreliable as Bremen and was sold off to Chandris just about the time of the fuel crisis. I think her unreliability and her thirst for
fuel ended her days. Internally she was in fine shape when Chandris got her and from what I remember they did little to her decor.

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posted 09-28-2006 03:26 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pascal:
Impressive pictures, Rich ! Somebody knows under which circumstances she sank ?

According to Bill Miller's "Fifty Famous Liners" series, she sprang a leak en route to the scrapyard. Her turbines were quite unreliable and she was 41 - there wasn't much else to do with her.


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posted 09-28-2006 07:17 PM      Profile for Indarra     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The sinking pictures show quite a pronounced bulbous bow which presumably was not there when she was completed in 1939. I can't think of any other passenger ship in which this was done (except, perhaps VENEZUELA) although the practice has been known in cargo ships. Does anyone know another passenger ship in which a bulb was retro-fitted?
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posted 09-28-2006 07:30 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are you sure it wasn't there? I only have a plan of her as Bremen and the model of Schreiber - there she has a bulb but not one which could not have been there first place - this kind of bow has been already 'around' in 1939.
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posted 09-28-2006 07:56 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
Are you sure it wasn't there? I only have a plan of her as Bremen and the model of Schreiber - there she has a bulb but not one which could not have been there first place - this kind of bow has been already 'around' in 1939.

Indarra is right, the bulb is much more pronounced in the sinking photos than in the photos of PASTEUR's launching. ( I have the book and have been analyzing the photos.) I believe the bulb made have been enhanced at Bremer Vulkan during her conversion to BREMEN, but the book does not mention this.

Rich


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posted 09-28-2006 07:59 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A little schematic I drawn up to show the effect of different positions of the funnel and superstructure on a hull.

Onno


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posted 09-28-2006 08:02 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

Indarra is right, the bulb is much more pronounced in the sinking photos than in the photos of PASTEUR's launching. ( I have the book and have been analyzing the photos.) I believe the bulb made have been enhanced at Bremer Vulkan during her conversion to BREMEN, but the book does not mention this.

Rich


Thanks for the reply - very interesting.


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posted 09-30-2006 04:48 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Indarra:
The sinking pictures show quite a pronounced bulbous bow which presumably was not there when she was completed in 1939.

I finally the found the information on this, towards the end of the PASTEUR book which I'm reading (it's in French, so a bit slower than usual for me!)

The BREMEN was taken to Lloyd Werft shipyards at Bremen during the Winter of 1965/66. That's when the new, enlarged bulbous bow was added, for better stability and to eliminate vibrations and motions at high speeds, according to the book. It also states than a bulb was added to her stern during this time, too, although I cannot imagine that and have not seen any such photos.

Rich


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Very interesting - what kind of bulb? There are 'bulbs' for the stern - but for a vessel with four propellers? (Maybe a Costa bulb? (this would be behind the propeller)
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