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AJL
First Class Passenger

Posts: 224
From:Helsinki, Finland
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 04-07-2000 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AJL   Click Here to Email AJL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yesterday I saw a TV-document about the Scandinavian Star. I thought that I should ask you about the owners' responsibility of keeping a ship in a suitable condition to work in the seas. Like we know,the owner of Sc. Star was the Miamese SeaEscape, which owner was also a Miamese man, Niels-Erik Lund, who had grounded SeaEscape. He was born in Denmark.

The main point of the ship's bad condition was because she was a part of a big tax dodging when the ship's operator, Danish man Henrik Johansen cheated hundreds of millions of Danish crowns from Denmark. H. Johansen didn't take care of the ship's condition at all: the material which the walls of the corridors were covered with was totally unsuitable: when the pyroman started the fire onboard in two places in the ship in the year 1990,the material started burning, and it formed toxic gas that with the carbon monoxide killed 158 people. The lifeboats were in a terrible condition.

And then there was the crew, that haven't had any fire rehearse at all. The crew had been hired to the ship only ten days earlier before the ship left to her horrible voyage. The crew was
Portuguese, and they weren't able to speak English at all. The passengers onboard surely couldn't speak any Portuguese and when the crew didn't know the ship at all, the passengers were there kind of "alone", with just 8 crew members and the captain who could speak English, Danish and Norwegian. So in fact nobody could help the
passengers, when the fire was started.

In the night when the accident happened, there was only one night guard awake and it was way too less. And in the same day (7.4.-90) when the ship left, she was under some electric construction, that continued also when the ship began her trip. Also the cabins were still fixed and from the roof there hung wiring.

Let's start from the beginning of this story:
Henrik Johansen tried to get a 40-million crowns of tax relief, when he sold the line between Oslo (in Norway) and Fredrikshaven (in Denmark) in February 1990. He had operated the line for six years. When he sold it, he got 250-million crowns of selling-profit. He had to invest it, so that the tax department could not lay taxes from the profit. To be able to get the tax-relief, he had to invest the money at the latest in the 1. day of April. She started to look for a new ship. He got a call from SeaEscape's owner Niels-Erik Lund, who then transmitted the Scandinavian Star to Johansen. The two men made a contract, that made possible to Johansen to not pay the taxes from the selling-profit. So the ship had to be made sea-worthy at latest in the 1. day of April, and that was why those 158 people died. The ship had made six trips on the route Oslo-Fredrikshaven, before her 7th trip, when the accident happened. And from the day she was transferred from USA to Denmark, she was continuously under construction.

And the last thing that I started really thinking about was the captain: After he had left from the ship, there was still over 200 people onboard in the fire. Isn't it an old maritime-"tradition", that the captain is THE LAST PERSON to leave the ship in a danger situation and take care of the thing, that ALL passengers have been evacuated from the ship? I think that it's the captain's responsibility to do this!

So now I'd like to know that what do you all think of this whole catastrophe, and the responsibility of the ship-owner and operator.

Here's a link to a page about Scandinavian Star incident : http://www.fire.org.uk/marine/papers/scanstar.htm

Regards:
Alec J. Lindström, Helsinki, Finland.

P.S. Maybe you already noticed it, but in Friday 7.4.2000 it became 10 years of this horrible accident. The ship is nowadays named Regal Voyager, and the owner is Niels-Erik Lund... So nobody was blamed from the accident, and nobody was sentenced...

[This message has been edited by AJL (edited 04-08-2000).]

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Peter P
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posted 04-08-2000 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter P   Click Here to Email Peter P     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damn! I missed that show

Ps. Didnt know u were from Finland

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AJL
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From:Helsinki, Finland
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posted 04-13-2000 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AJL   Click Here to Email AJL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I am a little confused, because nobody has answered to my questions... Do I have to consider this as a conspirecy?

AJL

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AJL
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From:Helsinki, Finland
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 11-24-2000 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AJL   Click Here to Email AJL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now, when it has been over 7 months when I posted this topic which I wrote about two hours then, I'm going to keep asking you all to answer it. It's a bit depressing when nobody has said nothing about it...

Regards
AJL

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PauloMestre
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From:Alhos Vedros, Setubal, Portugal
Registered: Sep 2000

posted 11-24-2000 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PauloMestre   Click Here to Email PauloMestre     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A very strange case indeed... It seems that those 158 where trapped by a serie of fishy events, innocents that fell victim of an obvious insurance/tax fraud. It seems that every thing was set for the disaster to struck: the untrained crew, language problems, the ships itself was a fire hazard.
That is not what I would not expect to happen when faced by similar conditions.

Regards

Paulo Mestre

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gohaze
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From:Vancouver.BC
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posted 11-24-2000 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gohaze   Click Here to Email gohaze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AJL...thanks for the site and I found the report very interesting.It looks like she basically complied with the safety requirements at the time. What it does show however, is that the Classification Societies, in this case Lloyds, are once again in 'conflict of interest' to the detriment of the public. How their surveyors who are hired by the Company to keep the ship "in class" can then turn round and act as the Enforcement arm of the ship's Administration, boggles the mind.
The problems mentioned in the report were indeed of a minor nature to fix but they were'nt because the survey which should have been done, was quite obviously NOT done properly.
I'm afraid that from experience, my opinion of 'Class' is not very good. In fact they are about as good as the Administrations of the countries in which they operate.
...peter

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Ryndam
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From:Genoa (Italy)
Registered: May 2000

posted 11-25-2000 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryndam   Click Here to Email Ryndam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry AJL, but in April I've missed the post. I've read the case study in the site you've suggested. In my opinion the most important point is that the ship was build accordingly to SOLAS 1960 requirements. Many factor that caused the fire to spread and the great amount of victims were complying with the regulations of that time (no automatic fire detection systems, no automatic fire-fighting systems, no maximum calorific value for coatings and materials, dead end corridors). If the ship was not ready to sail with passengers, the responsibility should be shared between the Classification Society, the Flag Administation and the Master of the vessel. The Classification Society is responsable because a Passenger Ship Safety Certificate is issued to the ship after an inspection and survey carried out before the ship is put in service, every 12 months and when inportant repairs or renewals are made. Also the Flag Administration should have carried out periodically inspection. The Master is responsible of the safety of the ship, and he has to make sure his crew is properly trained. The Master has the power to prevent his ship from sailing if he believe she is not ready to sail. Of course one must take in consideration the pressure of the Owner over the Master. The Master also failed when he abandined the ship before making sure that all the other persons were safe.

Ryndam

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Jesse C
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From:Houston, Texas, United States of America
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posted 11-25-2000 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jesse C   Click Here to Email Jesse C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many of the other fatal maritime events are partly or completely due to neglect.
Captian Edward J. Smith jumped the book on rules on the RMS Titanic. So did the captain of the TN Andrea Doria, Piero Calamai.

The RMS Empress of Ireland and the HMHS Brittanic both had their lower portholes open.

The RMS Lusitania's Captain didn't bother steering the ship in a zigzag pattern.

The Captain of the SS Yarmouth Castle left the ship with people on board when the ship was ablaze. The ship's architecture didn't help. The fire spread quickle between the airy rooms. By the time the captain found out, too late! The Captain leaving the ship thing also happened with the SS Oceanos and the SS Royal Pacific. The architecture of the MV Estonia claimed 800 lives. The pathways were clogged with people. The bow visor also was ailing and there was a hole on the starboard side. It was never meant to be a passenger ferry between Tallin and Stockholm.

See how negligience kills?

Keep cruising regardless,
Jesse

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