Cruise Talk: Liners with dummy funnels

Cruise Talk

Cruise News

Welcome to Cruise Talk the Internet's most popular discussion forum dedicated to cruising. Stop by Cruise Talk anytime to post a message or find out what your fellow passengers and industry insiders are saying about a particular ship, cruise line or destination.

>>> Reader Reviews
>>> CruisePage.com Photo Gallery
>>> Join Our Cruise Club.

Latest News...Cunard’s newest ship Queen Anne set sail for her homeport of Southampton after officially joining the luxury cruise line’s iconic fleet. Cunard took ownership of their stunning 3,000-guest ship during a traditional handover ceremony at the Fincantieri Marghera shipyard in Venice on Friday (19 April). Crowds joined together at the Fincantieri Marghera shipyard to wave an emotional goodbye...

Latest News...Carnival Cruise Line solidified its position as the leading cruise line in California on Wednesday as it christened its newest ship, Carnival Firenze, at its new home, the Long Beach Cruise Terminal. Hollywood actor Jonathan Bennett served as the ship's godfather, and he and Carnival Cruise Line President Christine Duffy celebrated all things Italian with the help...

Latest News...Royal Caribbean Group last week reported first quarter Earnings per Share ("EPS") of $1.35 and Adjusted EPS of $1.77. These results were better than the company's guidance due to stronger pricing on close-in demand, strength in onboard revenue and favorable timing of expenses. As a result of an exceptional WAVE season and continued strength in demand, Royal Caribbean Group said that it is...

More Cruise News...

my profile | register | search | faq | forum home

»	Cruise Talk » Ocean Liners and Classic Cruise Ships » Liners with dummy funnels

UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!

Author

Topic: Liners with dummy funnels

sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 05-09-2007 09:05 AM

In a topic about ssNieuw-Amsterdam of 1938, it is alledged that she had only one working funnel, the rear one being a dummy.
I had a shock when I learnt that Normandie only had 2 working funnels(some people believed that is why she was slower than 3 working funnellened Queen Mary ;-0)
The beautiful post-war twin funnelled motorliners of Swedish American line also hada dummy funnel.
This makes them "Pretty" or shall we say "Keeping up appaerances"
Shall we list them as I always find something new about my favorites ships!

Posts: 2513 | From: Shipspotting Solent shores when weather allows.... | Registered: Feb 2003 | IP: Logged

Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 05-09-2007 10:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by sslewis:

I had a shock when I learnt that Normandie only had 2 working funnels(some people believed that is why she was slower than 3 working funnellened Queen Mary ;-0)
!

Well actually the third funnel on the Queen Mary was also a dummy (kind of). They used it for I beleive the Kitchens and ventilating the engine rooms. But it wasn't used in the same way as her 2 forward funnels. Queen Mary only needed 2 funnels to operated like her sister the Queen Elizabeth.

Oh and to name another ship or ships with a dummy funnel, the Olympic Class (Olyimpic, Titanic, Brittanic). The last funnel in their set of 4 was a dummy.

Posts: 2327 | From: Pasadena just north of Queen Mary | Registered: Sep 2006 | IP: Logged

Linerrich
First Class Passenger
Member # 4864

posted 05-09-2007 11:01 AM

Literally hundreds of passenger liners with dozens of steamship lines had dummy funnels, usually added for appearances' sake. But the QUEEN MARY's funnels were all working funnels (Cunard never built any ships with dummy funnels.) She had a lot more boilers than QUEEN ELIZABETH, which is why she had a third funnel.

And the number of funnels has nothing to do with a ship's speed--that is largely the amount of horsepower which the engines produce--NORMANDIE was neck-and-neck just as fast as QUEEN MARY, and UNITED STATES certainly proved much faster, with only 2 stacks.

Rich

Posts: 4210 | From: Miami, FL | Registered: Jul 2004 | IP: Logged

VDK
First Class Passenger
Member # 3460

posted 05-09-2007 03:12 PM

I think you will find that QM third funnel was indeed a working one. If you look at a cross section of her you will see that the majority of uptakes were lead up through her centre funnel however her most fwd and aft boiler rooms did use the fwd and aft funnels respectively.

Posts: 325 | From: Victoria, BC, Canada | Registered: Nov 2002 | IP: Logged

lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 05-09-2007 08:03 PM

The latest ships w/a dummy funnel(s) are of course the Disney Magic and Wonder. I assume their two recently announced newbuild's forward stacks will be dummies as well.

I also remember reading that the 3rd funnel on QM was a dummy but of course there are plenty of images that show smoke (kitchen or otherwise) coming from it. QM2's twin aft uptakes at times have plenty of galley exhaust coming from them as well. I was surprised that that much smoke could come from the Britannia and Grills kitchens.

Posts: 7654 | From: Hollywood Hills/L.A. | Registered: Mar 2004 | IP: Logged

Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 05-09-2007 08:55 PM

Ok I should have made my self more clear. What I have always heard and read is that the Queen Marys 3rd funnel only vetilated the engine rooms but was not used for exhaust from the boilers. It was also used for the kitchens. Also in pictures you never see as much smoke coming from her third funnel as you do from the first two.

Posts: 2327 | From: Pasadena just north of Queen Mary | Registered: Sep 2006 | IP: Logged

VDK
First Class Passenger
Member # 3460

posted 05-09-2007 11:37 PM

Boiler room No.5 (housing 6 boilers) utilized the aft funnel of Queen Mary, BR 3&4 use the centre funnel (12 boilers) and the fwd BR with 9 boilers, inclusive of the 3 “scotch type boilers uses the fwd. Its correct as well that part of the aft funnel was used for galley and engine room vents as can been seen by the large vents on the after end.

As for QM2, the two aft "goal post" style stacks are primarily used for exhausting the incinerators – hence the heavy smoke at times.

Posts: 325 | From: Victoria, BC, Canada | Registered: Nov 2002 | IP: Logged

lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 05-10-2007 12:11 AM

quote:
Originally posted by VDK:
As for QM2, the two aft "goal post" style stacks are primarily used for exhausting the incinerators – hence the heavy smoke at times.

That is good to know. I thought that they were burning alot of food if they were just for galley exhaust!

Posts: 7654 | From: Hollywood Hills/L.A. | Registered: Mar 2004 | IP: Logged

sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 05-30-2007 11:18 AM

Thanks guys for your your contributions to this fascinating subject.
I wish I had more time but without being cheeky Rich, ssUS two fat funnels were worth 4 funnels on Queen Mary ;-)
But the basic questions remains : was ssNieuw-Amsterdam a single funneler with a second dummy funnel like the post-war Swedish American liners?
I had a look at my books, none of which seems to have this type of interesting facts....

Posts: 2513 | From: Shipspotting Solent shores when weather allows.... | Registered: Feb 2003 | IP: Logged

Linerrich
First Class Passenger
Member # 4864

posted 05-30-2007 11:28 AM

quote:
Originally posted by sslewis:

But the basic questions remains : was ssNieuw-Amsterdam a single funneler with a second dummy funnel like the post-war Swedish American liners?
I had a look at my books, none of which seems to have this type of interesting facts....

I guess you could say that, although her aft funnel wasn't connected to the boilers, it did vent other exhausts. More on the NIEUW AMSTERDAM's funnels in this thread:See Here

Rich

Posts: 4210 | From: Miami, FL | Registered: Jul 2004 | IP: Logged

LeBarryboat
First Class Passenger
Member # 5308

posted 06-05-2007 04:25 PM

Currently....all three funnels on QM are dummy funnels, or replicas...the originals were scrapped.

Posts: 1955 | From: Minnesota | Registered: Jan 2005 | IP: Logged

Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
First Class Passenger
Member # 5641

posted 06-05-2007 05:11 PM

Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES

Hi All

The smaller funnel on the ss Oriana was a dummy.

It housed some of the air conditioning equipment.

It was also in that area that we found 16 Fijians who had stowed away when we left Suva, on the 23rd January 1986.

They had hoped to get to Sydney to try and get work in the sugar fields in Queensland.

We caught all of them before we arrived in Sydney and they were returned to Suva on our next trip.

They were escorted back to Suva by eight Sydney police officers at a cost to P&O of Australian $ 21,760.00 !

13 of them were sentenced to four weeks in jail and the others got a two week sentence when they appeared in court in Suva.

Neil ( Bob )

[ 06-05-2007: Message edited by: Neil Whitmore ( Bob ) ]

Posts: 2355 | From: Dunstable, Bedfordshire. 30 miles north of London | Registered: May 2005 | IP: Logged

Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 06-06-2007 02:04 PM

HAL Liners white 2 funnels frome which 1 dummy: Maasdam 3 (1921), Edam 4 (1921), Leerdam 2 (1921) an Spaarndam 2 (1922) all 4 sisterships.
Volendam 1 (1922) Veendam 2 (1923)
Nieuw Amsterdam 2 ('38)

The othe more funnel HAL liners Rotterdam 4 ('08) and Statendam 3 ('29) all there funnels worked.

Greetings Ben.

Posts: 4695 | From: Rotterdam home of the tss. Rotterdam. | Registered: May 2003 | IP: Logged

All times are ET (US)

Ultimate Bulletin Board^TM 6.1.0.3

VACATION & CRUISE SPECIALS

Check out these great deals from CruisePage.com

Royal Caribbean - Bahamas Getaway from $129 per person

Description: Experience the beautiful ports of Nassau and Royal Caribbean's private island - CocoCay on a 3-night Weekend Getaway to the Bahamas. Absorb everything island life has to offer as you snorkel with the stingrays, parasail above the serene blue waters and walk the endless white sand beaches. From Miami.

Carnival - 4-Day Bahamas from $229 per person

Description: Enjoy a wonderful 3 Day cruise to the fun-loving playground of Nassau, Bahamas. Discover Nassau, the capital city as well as the cultural, commercial and financial heart of the Bahamas. Meet the Atlantic Southern Stingrays, the guardians of Blackbeard's treasure.

NCL - Bermuda - 7 Day from $499 per person

Description: What a charming little chain of islands. Walk on pink sand beaches. Swim and snorkel in turquoise seas. Take in the historical sights. They're stoically British and very quaint. Or explore the coral reefs. You can get to them by boat or propelled by fins. You pick. Freestyle Cruising doesn't tell you where to go or what to do. Sure, you can plan ahead, or decide once onboard. After all, it's your vacation. There are no deadlines or must do's.

Holland America - Eastern Caribbean from From $599 per person

Description: White sand, black sand, talcum soft or shell strewn, the beaches of the Eastern Caribbean invite you to swim, snorkel or simply relax. For shoppers, there's duty-free St. Thomas, the Straw Market in Nassau, French perfume and Dutch chocolates on St. Maarten. For history buffs, the fascinating fusion of Caribbean, Latin and European cultures. For everyone, a day spent on HAL's award winning private island Half Moon Cay.

Celebrity - 7-Night Western Mediterranean from $549 per person

Description: For centuries people have traveled to Europe to see magnificent ruins, art treasures and natural wonders. And the best way to do so is by cruise ship. Think of it - you pack and unpack only once. No wasted time searching for hotels and negotiating train stations. Instead, you arrive at romantic ports of call relaxed, refreshed and ready to take on the world.

Holland America - Alaska from From $499 per person

Description: Sail between Vancouver and Seward, departing Sundays on the ms Statendam or ms Volendam and enjoy towering mountains, actively calving glaciers and pristine wildlife habitat. Glacier Bay and College Fjord offer two completely different glacier-viewing experiences.

More Vacation & Cruise Specials...