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posted 08-01-2006 11:10 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just received this message from my Polish correspondent.

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Poland rejects Rotterdam

*Polish authorities have ordered a former transatlantic cruise liner reportedly containing 100 tonnes of a carcinogenic substance which has
been docked at Gdansk for five months to leave the country’s territorial waters.*

The Rotterdam (built 1959), which last operated as the cruiseship Rembrandt for failed Premier Cruise Lines in 2000, has been moored at a repair yard in Gdansk since March where it was hoped the asbestos would be removed and treated.

The Rotterdam (built 1959) is to leave Polish waters.

But Poland’s maritime economy minister, Rafal Wiechecki, turned down an appeal from the vessel’s owner and ordered it to leave Polish waters, the country’s radio station Polskie Radio reported on Tuesday.

Wiechecki argued that the vessel’s owner, a Dutch non-profit organisation called De Rotterdam, failed to notify Polish authorities of the presence of the harmful substance onboard before the vessel reached Poland.

The owner of the Rotterdam will now have to tow the vessel from the yard failing which Polish authorities will undertake the removal at the
owner’s expense.

Although Wiechecki left the door open for the vessel to return to Poland once the hazardous cargo has been dealt with, he also said that
authorities should investigate the possible illegal employment of Polish personnel onboard the ship, the station reported.

The Rotterdam was sent to Poland to be converted into a conference centre and hotel to be docked in the Netherlands.

Its passage to Poland caused a furore amongst environmental campaign groups including Greenpeace who argued that the work of clearing the asbestos should be undertaken at a specialist facility.

At the time of the vessel’s removal to Gdansk a spokesman for the vessel’s owner said that the Polish yard had been chosen ahead of a Dutch facility as it had quoted a price 50% lower than the local competition.

Wherever the work onboard the Rotterdam is now to be undertaken, once the hazardous cargo is removed from the ship that waste must remain in
that country for treatment, according to regulations.

The ship was to have spent six months being restored in Poland before making a grand arrival back in its native country, the vessel’s owner
hoping it could have been opened to the public in Rotterdam towards the end of this year.

By _Eoin O'Cinneide <mailto:eoin.ocinneide@tradewinds.no>_ in London

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posted 08-01-2006 11:13 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How ironic, that the same substance (asbestos) which has prevented the NORWAY from being destroyed, is also preventing the ROTTERDAM from being saved!


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posted 08-01-2006 11:30 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is 'a bit' contradicting - it was the prohibitive costs for the removal of the asbestos why most undertakings to rescue the Norway failed - which on the other hand would have been necessary to scrap her in an adequate way anyhow.

It also shows why all these old ships had to be retired - there are many 'hidden' problems on these vessels - and it needs a lot of expierience and knowhow to properly plan and prepare for that. It seems as if the project to safe the Rotterdam - like most of these undertakings - has not been planned for the 'worst' but for the 'best' case. Many 'similar' restoration projects have a very tight budget and are not often not able to react to such 'surprises'.

Seeing what happens to the Rotterdam maybe helps to understand why many stepped back from trying to save the Norway - the costs for decontamination (mind you that she has been contaminated - other than the Rotterdam) might suddenly change for an order of mangitude if 'someone' (e.g. an authority) changes his mind - and then one is trapped owning a vessel and being responsible to pay an enourmouse amout for disposing it.

I nevertheless sincerely hope they can sort that out and that we will see the Rotterdam arriving in her homeport. It seems to be a long way still.

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posted 08-01-2006 01:44 PM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ernst, see my other message.
The owners finally admitted they were wrong for not reporting the waste which was on board.

Now the only thing they can do is wait till the last young swallow flies out, than go as a spear to international waters, transfer the waste to that other ship, named CELICA and NOT Selicca, have the ship thouroughly inspected and than go to the yard.
Meanwhile they lost a bit of that 50% difference in price


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posted 08-02-2006 09:49 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Polen geeft opdracht asbestschip te vertrekken

Polen heeft het Nederlandse asbest schip "Rotterdam", dat voor reparaties naar de scheepswerf van Gdansk kwam, opdracht gegeven om zijn territoriale wateren te verlaten. De maritieme economie minister Rafal Wiechecki wees een beroep gepresenteerd door de schipeigenaar af, zeggende dat de Poolse kant niet was meegegdeeld dat er astbeest zat in de scheepsconstructie. De "Rotterdam" kan naar Polen terugkeren wanneer de gevaarlijke substantie is verwijderd.

Het schip is vastgelegd aan een van de havenwegen van Gdansk voor de afgelopen vijf maanden. Polen hoopt dat de schipeigenaar het schip zal wegtrekken. Zo niet, zullen de Poolse maritieme diensten dit doen en zal de eigenaar moeten betalen. Minister Wiechecki voegde toe dat de aanklagers zouden moeten kijken naar onwettige werkgelegenheid van Poolse arbeiders aan boord van het Nederlandse schip.

Radio Polonia 01.08.2006

Poland orders asbestos ship to leave

Poland has ordered the Dutch asbestos lined vessel “Rotterdam”, which came for repairs in Gdansk shipyard, to leave its territorial waters. The maritime economy minister Rafal Wiechecki turned down an appeal presented by the ship owner, saying it did not inform the Polish side that there was asbestos in the ship’s construction. “Rotterdam” may return to Poland when the dangerous substance is removed.

The ship has been moored on the Gdansk port roads for the past five months. Poland hopes the ship owner will tug the vessel away. If not, Polish maritime services will do this and charge the owner. Minister Wiechecki added that prosecutors should look into illegal employment of Polish workers on board the Dutch ship.

Radio Polonia 01.08.2006

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Just a detail - is she a dutch ship right now? (=where is she registered?)
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According to Equasis still in the Bahamas.
Owner's name: ss Rembrandt BV.
Adress of the owners is Heijplaatstraat in Rotterdam. That are the premises of the former RDM.


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