Log In | Customer Support
Home Book Travel Destinations Hotels Cruises Air Travel Community Search:

Search

Search CruisePage

Book a Cruise
- CruiseServer
- Search Caribbean
- Search Alaska
- Search Europe
- 888.700.TRIP

Book Online
Cruise
Air
Hotel
Car
Cruising Area:

Departure Date:
Cruise Length:

Price Range:

Cruise Line:

Buy Stuff

Reviews
- Ship Reviews
- Dream Cruise
- Ship of the Month
- Reader Reviews
- Submit a Review
- Millennium Cruise

Community
- Photo Gallery
- Join Cruise Club
- Cruise News
- Cruise News Archive
- Cruise Views
- Cruise Jobs
- Special Needs
- Maritime Q & A
- Sea Stories

Industry
- New Ship Guide
- Former Ships
- Port Information
- Inspection Scores
- Shipyards
- Ship Cams
- Ship Tracking
- Freighter Travel
- Man Overboard List
- Potpourri

Shopping
- Shirts & Hats
- Books
- Videos

Contact Us
- Reservations
- Mail
- Feedback
- Suggest-a-Site
- About Us

Reader Sites
- PamM's Site
- Ernst's Site
- Patsy's Site
- Ben's Site
- Carlos' Site
- Chris' Site
- SRead's Site


Cruise Travel - Cruise Talk
Cruise Talk Cruise News

Welcome to Cruise Talk the Internet's most popular discussion forum dedicated to cruising. Stop by Cruise Talk anytime to post a message or find out what your fellow passengers and industry insiders are saying about a particular ship, cruise line or destination.

>>> Reader Reviews
>>> CruisePage.com Photo Gallery
>>> Join Our Cruise Club.

Latest News...Queen Anne, the 249th ship to sail under the Cunard flag, set sail just after 9 pm local time as thousands of spectators gathered on the shores to watch the departure from vantage points across the city and along Southampton water. Guests on board the 3,000-guest, 113,000-ton ship are set to enjoy a spectacular sail away party, with celebrations continuing throughout...

Latest News...Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd. today reported financial results for the first quarter ended March 31, 2024 and provided guidance for the second quarter and full year 2024. First Quarter 2024 Highlights: Generated total revenue of $2.2 billion, a 20% increase compared to the same period in 2023 on 8% capacity growth, with GAAP net income of $17.4 million, or EPS of $0.04...

Latest News...The countdown is on for the next big thing coming to vacations, the ultimate short getaway: Royal Caribbean International’s Utopia of the Seas is almost ready for its debut. Starting today, the next in the lineup of game-changing Oasis Class ships is making its way to the open ocean for the first time to begin five days of testing....

More Cruise News...


Post New Topic  Post A Reply
my profile | register | search | faq | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Cruise Talk   » Ocean Liners and Classic Cruise Ships   » QM to England?

UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: QM to England?
J.S.S.Normandie
First Class Passenger
Member # 6253

posted 03-27-2006 12:07 PM      Profile for J.S.S.Normandie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I found this on another forum. It's insane.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1734275,00.html

To bring a seventy year old ocean liner half way across the world is madness.(it's literally half way)

Her engines have been removed, and she is probably unsteady. And they want to bring her across the Atlantic? You saw happened to America and Caronia. I hope nothing comes of this.

[ 03-27-2006: Message edited by: J.S.S.Normandie ]


Posts: 1197 | From: Massachusetts where the Brittania was trapped! | Registered: Feb 2006  |  IP: Logged
AleksNorway
First Class Passenger
Member # 5612

posted 03-27-2006 02:53 PM      Profile for AleksNorway   Email AleksNorway      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why insane?

Why is she not stable?

They have been towing the over 40 year old France/Noway around for a while now. No problem...


Posts: 33 | From: Norway | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged
lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 03-27-2006 03:21 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We have discussed this before but so many structural alterations have been made to her over the years-it would be difficult. Also she is riding very high and would need considerable ballast added just to begin with. The interior sections where the engine rooms were located would need to be structurally braced and additional flotation devises added to the exterior of the hull. Alterations would be very extensive and expensive for such a long tow.
Posts: 7654 | From: Hollywood Hills/L.A. | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged
J.S.S.Normandie
First Class Passenger
Member # 6253

posted 03-27-2006 04:11 PM      Profile for J.S.S.Normandie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by AleksNorway:
Why insane?

Why is she not stable?

They have been towing the over 40 year old France/Noway around for a while now. No problem...


She would be unstable from having the wieght provided by her engines removed. Also, she has not been maintained for use in open water for thirty years! And theyr'e not just talking about open water, around South America and northeast across the Atlantic. The America and Caronia were only about three quarters her length and they both broke free of thier tow lines.(although it may have been intentional) One of the reasons Nomadic hasn't made the comparatively short journey to Bellfast is beacause of structural integrity. I could be dangerous to have her in open water. And she is one tenth QM's size!
It's really a bad idea.


Posts: 1197 | From: Massachusetts where the Brittania was trapped! | Registered: Feb 2006  |  IP: Logged
Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 03-27-2006 04:41 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Look here fore the same discusion here on Cruise Talk.

Ben.


Posts: 4695 | From: Rotterdam home of the tss. Rotterdam. | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged
chateausmith
First Class Passenger
Member # 3423

posted 03-28-2006 12:28 PM      Profile for chateausmith   Email chateausmith   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dont worry ! Queen Mary is going nowhere.....except maybe to the bottom! Spent the night onboard a couple of weeks ago...sad to say she is falling to pieces.......obviously she is not generating enough income to warrant the maintenance expenditure.Cheers! Chateausmith.
Posts: 68 | From: Alpharetta georgia | Registered: Oct 2002  |  IP: Logged
J.S.S.Normandie
First Class Passenger
Member # 6253

posted 03-28-2006 01:05 PM      Profile for J.S.S.Normandie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"except maybe to the bottom"
really comforting thanks.

But seriously I do agree. She seems to be being neglected. Most people are not liner fans so she probably isn't the most popular hotel. There's so many things they could cheaply and easily do that could make them more money.


Posts: 1197 | From: Massachusetts where the Brittania was trapped! | Registered: Feb 2006  |  IP: Logged
Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 03-28-2006 01:11 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is the point - beside that such a transfer is impossible (we discussed that already - see above) - why should she do better in England? She is actually comparably popular where she is right now.
The money for such a risky transfer is certainly better spent in a refit.

Posts: 9746 | From: Eindhoven | Registered: Jan 2005  |  IP: Logged
Liner Enthusiast
First Class Passenger
Member # 6336

posted 03-28-2006 02:15 PM      Profile for Liner Enthusiast   Email Liner Enthusiast   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Knowing the current condition of the Queen Mary...

I wonder if her rate of deterioration might slow down if they did what was done with Minghua? Fill the area around her with soil?
Does anyone else think that might be easier on her hull than the salt water? It might also help keep the moisture and help with the rust issues a little. This would have to be easier and cheaper to maintain in the long run.

Any thoughts?


Posts: 19 | From: San Diego, CA | Registered: Mar 2006  |  IP: Logged
timb
First Class Passenger
Member # 5901

posted 03-28-2006 03:00 PM      Profile for timb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An interesting idea but I'm not sure if it would help a great deal or not; it could in fact hasten the problem. In my experience of owning and restoring a steel hulled sailboat I found most corosion took place from the inside out where water could gather and evaporate over and over in the bilge or chain locker rather than the plates that were in constant contact with seawater. I'm interested to hear other opinions though
Posts: 437 | From: S FL | Registered: Sep 2005  |  IP: Logged
Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 03-28-2006 05:42 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess covering the hull with soil is to a certain extend risky - there might (or better: will) still be corrosion - only that it will be more difficult - if not impossibe - to access it. Concerning corrosion, the best would probably be a dry-dock. (and good mantainance)

As much as I know Queen Mary has not left her berth for many decaded - what are they doing to take care of the hull? I would be very interested in learning more about that.


Posts: 9746 | From: Eindhoven | Registered: Jan 2005  |  IP: Logged
J.S.S.Normandie
First Class Passenger
Member # 6253

posted 03-28-2006 05:48 PM      Profile for J.S.S.Normandie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Burying her in soil would be so sad. Besides moisture from the soil would cause her to rust too. The best thing for her, I think, is to keep her in California and keep her well maintained. The warm air and lack of snow would help to preserve her just as it does cars.
Posts: 1197 | From: Massachusetts where the Brittania was trapped! | Registered: Feb 2006  |  IP: Logged
lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 03-28-2006 07:06 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by J.S.S.Normandie:
Burying her in soil would be so sad. Besides moisture from the soil would cause her to rust too. The best thing for her, I think, is to keep her in California and keep her well maintained. The warm air and lack of snow would help to preserve her just as it does cars.

Salt water is the problem. Cars rust out in the northeast due to the salt spread on roads to melt snow. I agree that the warm fairly dry air in California is most likely better for her than the damp cold of England. As I posted in the past, QM needs a good exterior cleaning and re-spray. A fresh coat of paint on her exterior would do wonders but she still looks better than her final days sailing the North Atlantic 40 years ago. In those days she often was covered w/rust from bow to stern as Cunard was nearly broke and she suffered much deferred upkeep. Her interiors actually do not look that bad for a 70 year old ship that has carried tens of thousands of passengers. As an example of what a good respray could do, look what a few weeks in drydock did for the beautiful Rotterdam V!


Posts: 7654 | From: Hollywood Hills/L.A. | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged

All times are ET (US)  

Post New Topic  Post A Reply Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | CruisePage

Infopop Corporation
Ultimate Bulletin BoardTM 6.1.0.3

VACATION & CRUISE SPECIALS
Check out these great deals from CruisePage.com

Royal Caribbean - Bahamas Getaway from $129 per person
Description: Experience the beautiful ports of Nassau and Royal Caribbean's private island - CocoCay on a 3-night Weekend Getaway to the Bahamas. Absorb everything island life has to offer as you snorkel with the stingrays, parasail above the serene blue waters and walk the endless white sand beaches. From Miami.
Carnival - 4-Day Bahamas from $229 per person
Description: Enjoy a wonderful 3 Day cruise to the fun-loving playground of Nassau, Bahamas. Discover Nassau, the capital city as well as the cultural, commercial and financial heart of the Bahamas. Meet the Atlantic Southern Stingrays, the guardians of Blackbeard's treasure.
NCL - Bermuda - 7 Day from $499 per person
Description: What a charming little chain of islands. Walk on pink sand beaches. Swim and snorkel in turquoise seas. Take in the historical sights. They're stoically British and very quaint. Or explore the coral reefs. You can get to them by boat or propelled by fins. You pick. Freestyle Cruising doesn't tell you where to go or what to do. Sure, you can plan ahead, or decide once onboard. After all, it's your vacation. There are no deadlines or must do's.
Holland America - Eastern Caribbean from From $599 per person
Description: White sand, black sand, talcum soft or shell strewn, the beaches of the Eastern Caribbean invite you to swim, snorkel or simply relax. For shoppers, there's duty-free St. Thomas, the Straw Market in Nassau, French perfume and Dutch chocolates on St. Maarten. For history buffs, the fascinating fusion of Caribbean, Latin and European cultures. For everyone, a day spent on HAL's award winning private island Half Moon Cay.
Celebrity - 7-Night Western Mediterranean from $549 per person
Description: For centuries people have traveled to Europe to see magnificent ruins, art treasures and natural wonders. And the best way to do so is by cruise ship. Think of it - you pack and unpack only once. No wasted time searching for hotels and negotiating train stations. Instead, you arrive at romantic ports of call relaxed, refreshed and ready to take on the world.
Holland America - Alaska from From $499 per person
Description: Sail between Vancouver and Seward, departing Sundays on the ms Statendam or ms Volendam and enjoy towering mountains, actively calving glaciers and pristine wildlife habitat. Glacier Bay and College Fjord offer two completely different glacier-viewing experiences.

| Home | About Us | Suggest-a-Site | Feedback | Contact Us | Privacy |
This page, and all contents, are © 1995-2021 by Interactive Travel Guides, Inc. and/or its suppliers. All rights reserved.
TravelPage.com is a trademark of Interactive Travel Guides, Inc.
Powered by TravelServer Software