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Topic: The Eugenio C - The Eugenio Costa

Ocean Liners
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posted 11-18-2003 11:46 PM

In the early 1980's, as line voyages to South America begun to wane, the Eugenio C. was used
almost full-time as a cruise ship.

In 1982, the Eugenio C sailed 6 cruises from Genoa between Jul 11 and Oct 3 1982.

In 1986, the Eugenio Costa sailed 11 days cruise from Genoa between May 5 to Nov 11 1986.

Dose anyone know when the Eugenio C or the Eugenio Costa started full-time as a cruise ship out of Genoa in the seasons of Spring - Autumn?

[ 11-19-2003: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

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cruiseny
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posted 11-18-2003 11:54 PM

After the early '80s, didn't she run cruises in the winter too, with her only crossings being positioning voyages?

Anyhow I'm not sure but I'm thinking that she stayed in Europe year-round from 1988 or 1989... At some point she was fitted with propellers that were more efficient but lowered her maximum speed. I think that was the same time when she stopped her regular crossings.

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Italian Cruiser
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posted 11-19-2003 06:07 AM

Eugenio Costa ended as career as a liner in 1982, performing three Atlantic crossings to Genoa to Buenos Aires. From 1983 she was a full time cruise ship, sailing during Summer in Europe, mainly in the Mediterranran, during winter in South America. She was refitted at the Mariotti Yards between October and December 1987. Eugenio Costa hasn't ever operated year round in Europe like her former fleetmate Costa Riviera.

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cruiseny
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posted 11-19-2003 02:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Italian Cruiser:
Eugenio Costa hasn't ever operated year round in Europe like her former fleetmate Costa Riviera.

Interesting. I didn't realize that she continued her positioning crossings to South America until the very end.

A real shame that this ship had such bad luck after Costa, she was a beauty. Her profile is still gorgeous.

Incidentally I've received information from a shipbroker saying that she has NOT been sold... I can't say if they're right or wrong but it's certainly interesting.

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Ocean Liners
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posted 11-19-2003 10:43 PM

Thanks Italian Cruiser for the information.

In 1976, She sailed from Genoa to Buenos Aires in 12 - 13 days.

Does anyone know how many days did she taken from genoa to Buenos Aires(or Rio de Janeiro) after 1987 refit?

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Italian Cruiser
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posted 11-20-2003 06:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Liners:
Thanks Italian Cruiser for the information.
In 1976, She sailed from Genoa to Buenos Aires in 12 - 13 days.
Does anyone know how many days did she taken from genoa to Buenos Aires(or Rio de Janeiro) after 1987 refit?
[ 11-20-2003: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

After 1982 the transatlantic positioning from Italy to South America were around 16-17 days if the ships stopped in Rio de Janeiro or Santos, and 18-19 days if she reached Buenos Aires ( depending from the ports of call featured in the cruise ). The Eugenio Costa generally spent three days in the Atlantic Ocean, crossing from the Canary Islands to the Brasilian Coast. She was always a very popular and loved ship in South America, even during her last years with Costa.

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Patrick
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posted 11-20-2003 09:26 AM

She'd fit perfectly well the Pullmantur's OCEANIC as a fleetmate.
Personally I wished she'd came back with Costa but these times seem to be over...
Too bad. I have heared she has been sold for scrapping lately and the Indians are onboard already. No idea if it's really true or not. But several sites showed this information already.

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Tom Stephenson
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posted 11-20-2003 10:39 AM

The EUGENIO COSTA is one of my favorite ships. What a beauty she was. She also did an Around the World cruise in the late 70's,like 1977-78. I always wondered why Costa didnt refit her earlier than 1987 as a fulltime cruiseship to run in tandem with their COSTA RIVIERA in the Caribbean. She would make an awesome running mate for the OCEANIC in the Med. They dont make them like the EUGENIO COSTA anymore.

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rd77
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posted 11-20-2003 01:09 PM

I think the scrapping story was on Maritime matters as well. Anyway, the ship is mechanically in terrible shape, hence we won't see her in service again, I'm affraid....

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Ocean Liners
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posted 11-20-2003 10:01 PM

I think that she has spent the most gloriuos year in 1977, she visited New York for the first time on 26 days Fabulous August Cruise.
Then she sailed on one South America service.
After then, she departed from genoa for Maiden 74 days around the world cruise unitl middle of december.
She visited Kobe and Yokohama on the 1977 RTW cruise and Shanghai on the 1978 RTW cruise for
her maiden calls there.

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Ocean Liners
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posted 11-23-2003 03:45 AM

I found the Eugenio Costa's 1986 brochure which featured including Havana and Cap Haitien as one of her destinations in the Itinerary.

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Italian Cruiser
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posted 11-23-2003 08:22 AM

Costa Cruises has repeated the Great Cruise of August in 1992 .... the Columbus Year.... onboard the Costa Classica. The itinerary was quite identical.

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Patrick
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posted 11-23-2003 11:36 AM

Yesterday two generations of Costa-ships have been together in Freeport when the COSTA MEDITERRANEA docked there quite close to EUGENIO COSTA. Must have been a very interesting moment and I am sure that captain Massimo Garbarino found back lots of good memories when he saw his former ship there.
Honestly I think that Costa would be in the position to finance a complete refurbishment for the EUGENIO COSTA and bing her back in the Mediterranean with new engines. But I doubt that Carnival would invest any of their valuable money into a classic ship as building 2 new ones instead brings more capacity and again more money.
But that this could be possible has been prooven by NCL's first step in saving the BIG U and the INDY by purchasing them. Carnival / Costa could do similar, especially because the EUGENIO is one of the milestones of Italian passenger shipping and has always been my favorite in the Costa-fleet.
Now I can only hope on Pullmantur...

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Waynaro
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posted 11-23-2003 12:51 PM

Patrick, maybe Captain Massimo Garbarino even got a tour of the BRBII ex. EUGENIO COSTA!

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sslewis
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posted 11-26-2003 12:19 PM

Yes, she would be ideal with Oceanic, perhaps as Eugenic,or Iberic?
It is a shame re-enginering is out of the question as she could get pods thanks to her unusual stern.
She once did 28.5 knots on trials, and was known to catch up delays easily.
What could really happen to her apart from scrap?
ssLewis

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Waynaro
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posted 11-26-2003 02:04 PM

quote:
sslewis posted:
What could really happen to her apart from scrap?

Sink her?

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sslewis
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posted 11-27-2003 12:37 PM

When I last saw her in 1986 or 1987, she was doing a series of Grand South American cruise.
She departed Guadeloupe to steam at 28 knots to New-York, perhaps stopping en route in StThomas.
This means there could be a chance she gets preserved in New-York.
I just can't see her go..
ssLewis

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feargus
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posted 11-30-2003 11:18 AM

the eugenio / edinburgh castle / big red boat II could sail on, in one post above it is said she is in bad mechanical shape, she isn't. as the last the last first engineer to sail on her i can say she is now after many years in good condition down the stairs and above decks.
i am now a ship repair manager so if anyone out there has a few million to buy her and 1.5 million for a refit (my estimate) lets go.

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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 11-30-2003 12:42 PM

Feargus,

The Big Red Boat II was an unmitigated disaster! If she was in such good shape, she would have spent more time sailing that broken down in the summer of 2000.

Constant breakdowns of her engines, AC, loss of electrical power? How you can call that "good condition" is beyond me.

Tim

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gohaze
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posted 11-30-2003 01:16 PM

As the Edinburgh Castle she was part of the Cammell Laird disaster and was a contributor to it.

Face it, if even some Greek won't touch it, and they're getting rid of theirs, there's only the route to Alang left.

....peter

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Aussie1
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posted 11-30-2003 05:10 PM

Tim, if Feargus was a 1st engineer aboard her in recent times I'll back him to give us a reliable opinion regarding the shape of the ship today. What amazes me is that Costa allowed their once pride and joy to run down so badly in her last 2 years with them.

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Grant
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posted 11-30-2003 09:42 PM

Once while sailing into Miami aboard Festival-or maybe it was aboard Norway, we found her tied up at Dodge Island. I was immediately taken by her sleek lines and hull form. Certainly one of the finest appearing liners to grace the seas. Too bad that she did not find a successful career in her later life. She is a vessel on which I wished I had sailed!!

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feargus
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posted 12-01-2003 09:57 AM

A.C. problems now repaired, the problem was known about from the E.C. days but cash was tight and therefore tubes etc in the condensers were not replaced until later on. the loss of electical power was due in part to some bad repairs on the diesel generator in the bahamas during the conversion to BRBII , they have been rectified. the other electical problem which does still exist is no.4 generator turbine is in the U.S. somewhere afte rbeing repaired but as bills were not paid it was not given back. other problems which she has had in the past are lack of feed water and fresh water production, before i left the ship in the bahamas lay up we completed the installation of a new feed water generator and did a complete overhall of the main fresh water generator. also replaced were two boiler feed pumps, two work air compressors and two shaft bearings. once we finished with premier the september we did alot of work before most people were sent home. i was one of the last to leave in the following june. from september until may i had a full team in the enging room and with the ship not going anywhere we got alot of work done.
i stand by my claim that she is in pretty good condition and could sail after about 1.5 million spent.
as a foot note if anyone is interested i work for dubai drydocks now as a ship repair manager after working in the same capacity for a while with grand bahama shipyard. the only ship of interest to you guys we are looking after at the moment is the hebridean spirit. she is in for two weeks for various items of work and dry docking.

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sslewis
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posted 12-02-2003 01:06 PM

Feargus, you should have said so a long time ago!
I heard that the cruise business is taking off(well before Irak turmoil).
When things straighten up, I wonder what would the chance for older ships to operate from there?
The only problems I see are the Alcohol or gambling rights.
Fuel should be the least of worries, so is the weather....
ssLewis, last hope for surviving steamers

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Ocean Liners
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posted 12-11-2004 04:39 AM

Eugenio named after Giacomo Costa's son.
Eugenio, Enrico and Federico were brother.
Giacomo Costa started Ditta Giacomo Costa fu Andrea.

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