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solares
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posted 01-16-2012 01:42 AM      Profile for solares   Email solares   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now that the ship is on it's side, what plans will the company take as to what to do with her? Can they somehow right her or will they have to dismantle her on the spot?
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SSTRAVELER
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posted 01-16-2012 12:20 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Long way away from knowing the answer to that.

Righting a ship like this is not an easy task but not impossible. They did it with the Normandie but it took major efforts of time and money.

The Italian authorities have control of the ship right now. First thing they will do when the weather permits and the authorities permit is to remove the fuel and other oils that could cause an environmental disaster. But in the process that could add a whole new set of dangers, depending on how much fuel is aboard, etc. The operation will reduce her total weight and in the process of shifting things around she could move or put further strain on her structure.

To refloat her they would have to restore buoyancy which means making her dry. To restore stability is even more tricky. Be pretty hard to tow her out of there on her side ....

Even if she does not break her back on the rocks it will be a lot of work to get her out of there in one piece and not damage the structure further to get her into a condition where should could be moved.

The insurance companies will be involved in the decision if the ship can be safely removed and what it would cost to put her back together again. Water is extremely damaging and it would mean removing everything basically down to the metal to get her clean and dry. The machinery, wiring, insulation, etc. is where the costs would be in a restoration. All of it is likely destroyed.

The idea of stripping down the structure is possible but like the Normandie you need to get to a place where you can close up what remains before you can pump out the water and refloat anything.

The insurance folks may say it is simpler to cut her up where she lies.


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Maasdam
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posted 01-16-2012 12:49 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The company who cane do it..... Smit International Rotterdam. Some famous project the KURSK, the Japanese fishing boat rammed by a US submarine the HAROLD OF FREE ENTERPRISE etc.

Greetings Ben.


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Aleks
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posted 01-16-2012 01:23 PM      Profile for Aleks   Email Aleks   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Take a look at www.smit.com. They have done a lot of big and very difficult salvage jobs before(they even salvaged the Kursk with a nuclear reactor onboard) so salvaging the ship will likely happen and then she might be scrapped.
I imagine the starboard side of the ship is now in very bad shape with her 112000 tons squeezing the side into the rocks. Most of the interiors and the expensive electrical system are destroyed by the water. The engines might be saved if they refloat the vessel quick but is that possible? This sounds expensive to repair compared to just sell the wreck to Alang and build a new and maybe safer ship?

The Queen Elizabeth 2 was once in a similar accident where they crashed into rocks at 25 knots in 1992. Her double bottom saved her then. Maybe double hull should be required at all large passengers ships from now on?


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Aleks
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posted 01-16-2012 01:30 PM      Profile for Aleks   Email Aleks   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry Ben, didnt see that you had posted the part about Smit just before me...
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 01-16-2012 01:42 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have read that it depends on if she is structurally sound. If sound, she could be patched and pumped out. It also comes down to what her value is verses the cost to salvage and repair the ship. I've read a number of $150 million dollars to salvage and/or repair (not sure if that is even correct) which is approx. $450 million below her insured value.
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Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.
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posted 01-16-2012 01:45 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Even if she is raised and returned to service with a different name I do not think a lot of people would want to cruise on her if they know her history.

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avalon1025
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posted 01-16-2012 01:51 PM      Profile for avalon1025   Email avalon1025   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Costa "Neo" Concordia
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Ernst
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posted 01-16-2012 03:11 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.:
Even if she is raised and returned to service with a different name I do not think a lot of people would want to cruise on her if they know her history.

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The keyword here is 'know'.
Alll I say is Sally Albatross.


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Salaison
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posted 01-16-2012 04:00 PM      Profile for Salaison   Email Salaison   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.:
Even if she is raised and returned to service with a different name I do not think a lot of people would want to cruise on her if they know her history.

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Keyword "if" many people who cruise know nothing about ships in the first place lol


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timb
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posted 01-16-2012 04:59 PM      Profile for timb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:

The keyword here is 'know'.
Alll I say is Sally Albatross.


The first cruise my wife and I ever went on was about her as MS Leeward


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desirod7
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posted 01-16-2012 06:06 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by timb:

The first cruise my wife and I ever went on was about her as MS Leeward


There was the Stockholm that rammed and sunk the Andrea Doria. She has been completely rebuilt as the Athena and has a large Italian following.

If it costs as much to rebuild Concordia as it does a newbuild, me thinks Carnival will build a new ship of the same capacity, but of the [safe home to port] new design that supersedes the 1995 vintage Destiny class she is derived from.


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Aleks
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posted 01-16-2012 06:51 PM      Profile for Aleks   Email Aleks   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CNN on this subject:
http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/16/will-the-concordia-crash-the-cruise-industry/?hpt=hp_c2

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reeves35
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posted 01-16-2012 09:23 PM      Profile for reeves35   Email reeves35   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just like you car when it is involved in an accident, the fate of Concordia currently rests with its insurers. Naturally the authorities have a say given the potential environmental damage but Carnival will have the ship fully insured as well as consequential loss. The insurers will assess how they mitigate their loss and decide a course of action from there.

I'm only guessing but I believe the chance of there being a new artificial reef created off the Italian coast is highly likely. Even this will involve a significant salvage effort.


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dmwnc1
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posted 01-17-2012 10:29 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting article on the options for Costa Concordia

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16573312


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Frosty 4
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posted 01-17-2012 11:52 AM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NBC News is reporting that the captain had a history of disobeying orders. Schettino, according to Italian news reports, had once left Marseilles, France, in bad weather, against company policy and coast guard orders. The captain was also once reportedly caught sailing too close to the shore in another part of Italy.

Wouldn't you think Costa would remove him after a few incidents??

Frosty4


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Frosty 4
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posted 01-17-2012 11:59 AM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if some type of airbag system could be put into the build of the ship to assist in keeping it from a severe list. Of course the airbags should not impede the deployment of lifeboats.
F4

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DAMBROSI2
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posted 01-17-2012 12:03 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI2   Email DAMBROSI2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He rose from Security Officer to Captain really fast. I read he was Security Officer in 2002 and became Captain in 2007, isn't that too fast? And if you were in that position of Security Officer, wouldn't safety and security be utmost still in your mind, even when you become Captain?
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Peter P
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posted 01-17-2012 12:16 PM      Profile for Peter P     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For Sally Albatross the situation was not that bad.

More images: http://fredfryinternational.blogspot.com/2007/10/maritime-monday-82.html

They have to get the ship out of there and I doubt they would start cutting it to pieces there.

I would say it would be fixed / parts of the ship would be re-used for some kind of new building.

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Peter P
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posted 01-17-2012 12:29 PM      Profile for Peter P     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by avalon1025:
Costa "Neo" Concordia

Costa Lotta


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dougnewman
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posted 01-17-2012 12:52 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by DAMBROSI2:
He rose from Security Officer to Captain really fast. I read he was Security Officer in 2002 and became Captain in 2007, isn't that too fast?
Safety officer, not security officer. Security officer is something entirely different.

I don't know exactly how Costa's ranks work but safety officer is usually already one of the most senior officers in the deck department. So I don't necessarily think he moved up the ranks excessively fast.


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Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.
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posted 01-17-2012 01:35 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Safety Officer sounds more like a rank the same as a ships Chief Officer and only two ranks from becoming Captain.
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Waynaro
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posted 01-17-2012 03:04 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The "Safety Officer" duty is usually held by the Chief Officer or Staff Captain.
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DAMBROSI2
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posted 01-17-2012 03:04 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI2   Email DAMBROSI2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you Doug for clearing that up for me...highly embarassed I made that mistake.
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posted 01-17-2012 03:36 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Peter P:
For Sally Albatross the situation was not that bad.
[...]

I was more thinking about the fire that essentially destroyed the whole ship before she became what we see in the above posted photos, but yes, her machinery was intact which was the reason to justify the 'refit'.


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