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mike sa
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posted 04-13-2009 11:31 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Very damning - it is time to restrict access before lives are lost.......

"Captain’s errors played a part in Explorer sinking
13/4/2009
An inexperienced Antarctic captain who ran his ship into a wall of ice, a chaotic evacuation and the questionable condition of lifesaving equipment were all cited in the just-released flag state report on the Explorer’s sinking in Antarctica.
There was no loss of life in the 2007 accident, largely thanks to unusually benign weather conditions, according to the hefty findings by Liberia’s Bureau of Maritime Affairs, as cited by the UK’s Independent on Sunday. All 154 passengers, staff and crew were safely evacuated from the ship operated by Toronto-based G.A.P Adventures. They went into open lifeboats and Zodiacs and were picked up by two expedition ships which arrived four hours later.

Capt. Bengt Wiman, on his first Antarctica command, entered the ice field in darkness and steered Explorer too fast toward the ice wall, according to the report.

The crew were praised for safely evacuating passengers as water flooded in, watertight doors failed to close and the ship lost power. But questions were raised about some of their actions and the condition of safety equipment including lifeboat engines that did not work.

The Independent’s story citing the report also notes the captain was asked to call back during three attempts to alert the Argentine Maritime Rescue Coordination Center. Chilean officials ultimately provided assistance, along with two passenger vessels in the area.

The report comes at a time when calls are mounting for greater regulation of cruise ships in Antarctica.

The International Association of Antarctica Tour Operators said its members are scrutinizing the findings for ‘valuable lessons to be learned that will allow us to build on industry best practice and IAATO’s commitment to safe and environmentally responsible private-sector travel to Antarctica.’

Executive director Steve Wellmeier said IAATO looks forward to discussions within the industry, with governments through organizations like IMO and flag states, and with classification societies.

In the 16-month interim between Explorer’s sinking and the official report’s release, the organization said it used information that was available to study the response and rescue operation. G.A.P Adventures is an IAATO member.

‘We understand and share the concern that has arisen from this and other recent ship- related incidents in Antarctica. However, the overall safety record and environmental stewardship of ship-based tourism over the past 40 years is very good,’ Wellmeier added. "

The water tight doors were not closed !!!!!!!!!!!!

The time is now before many loose their lives.


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PamM
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posted 04-13-2009 02:07 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One really needs to read the official report especially re the watertight doors. The report above is way too scant and misses many points; quite a damning report in any event.

A watertight door was left open... but it is just not that simple:-

I have not read the whole report, it's 96 pages, but another interesting comment by passengers is that some thought enclosed lifeboats would have hampered them.

Pam

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mike sa
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posted 04-14-2009 10:02 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And the GAP are about to employ another Captain and crew on another refitted ship to undetake the same experiments with seemingly little or no punishment despite theis damning report which clearly indicates the crew were not experienced enought to sail the areas, there were defects in the life saving equipment which should have been and possibly was known about but not repaired etc.

Outrageous.


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Ernst
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posted 04-14-2009 10:30 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
One really needs to read the official report especially re the watertight doors. The report above is way too scant and misses many points; quite a damning report in any event.

A watertight door was left open... but it is just not that simple:-

[...]

I have not read the whole report, it's 96 pages, but another interesting comment by passengers is that some thought enclosed lifeboats would have hampered them.

[...]

Pam



Mind you that the weather conditions were very fortunate. Usually an enclosed lifeboat is endlessly better than an open boats.
This reminds me of the debate about seat belts (or also airbags) in cars: People came up with far fetched scenarios where seat belts would be a disadvantage. However, in the overwhelming majority of accident scenarios they are an advantage.


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Globaliser
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posted 04-17-2009 05:20 AM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
One really needs to read the official report ...
Thanks for this, Pam. It will be an interesting read.

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Johan
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posted 04-17-2009 05:36 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I shudder to think what would happen if this overcomes one of those bigger massmarket ships that plan to sail in antarctic waters.
Used to the carib or the med, and thousands of passengers, in small boats on ice seas. It would be the end of the cruise industry as we know it, only niche markets would survive.
like 50 years ago

It is not a good idea

J


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mike sa
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posted 04-17-2009 10:09 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And it seems the "new" Explorer is much the same, I have read that the interiors are extremely basic, the aft deck is used to store drums of fuel and oil (it is the only smoking area on board!) etc.

Should companies like GAP be allowed to operate ships never less in the Antartic ? (By the way I had never heard of them until last year so the question is a genuine one).


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PamM
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posted 04-17-2009 12:34 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mike, where are you reading this? I assume you are referring to ms Expedition? She is only just coming to the end of her Maiden voyage for GAP, having left Rauma at the end of March arriving in the Azores 9th April. So far I have seen one photo of her there, but no comments anywhere.

Pam


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posted 04-18-2009 01:05 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam

I can't remember where I read it, think it was an on line newspaper. It said that it was the maiden voyage and they ended up cancelling it and all pax were sent home after a couple of days. I am pretty sure that she was already in the Azores when it was written as thepax were sent home from there so it may well be her 2nd cruise not the maiden and the reason for cancelling was mechanical and safety reasons. It sounded quite bad.


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posted 04-18-2009 01:19 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Also found a review.

http://www.cruise.co.uk/cruise-reviews/read_review_13138/

However the review details don't seem to make sense - see top.


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posted 04-18-2009 04:30 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Mike. No wonder I never found it under 'Spirit of Adventure', 'Explorer II' and' Northern Europe' - One begins to wonder if these people even knew what they were sailing, but they must have done from the text. She was indeed a day late arriving in the Azores.

It does not make good reading at all It also seems maybe a bit OTT as how would she have been able to leave Rauma in this condition; there must have been some certification required before she was able to accept the passengers. I hope some other reports appear.

Pam


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posted 04-18-2009 05:41 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have not had much confidence in GAP since its initial reaction to the ship's sinking, which I thought was appalling - see here. The report is not too encouraging either.
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