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desirod7
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posted 10-05-2011 09:11 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

one built in Scotland, other in Italy


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Maasdam
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posted 10-05-2011 11:11 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And the Italian based on the 1953 Dutch design. De Schelde yard was quite disappointed when they turned to Ansaldo fore the 1957 GRIPSHOLM. They where disappointed that the ship was based on there basic design. specially after the 1953 KUNGSHOLM was such a success and praised fore it's design and quality of construction.

Greetings Ben.


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SSTRAVELER
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posted 10-05-2011 06:04 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That maybe true Ben but De Schelde and Swedish American were basically not on speaking terms when the Kungsholm 1953 was delivered. Not that long ago I was talking with someone who was at De Schelde in those days and he said the two companies fought over everything when the Kungsholm was under construction. He said there was no expectation that they would build any more ships for Swedish American or Brostrom and basically no relationship with the owners after 1953.
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posted 10-05-2011 06:42 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by SSTRAVELER:
That maybe true Ben but De Schelde and Swedish American were basically not on speaking terms when the Kungsholm 1953 was delivered. Not that long ago I was talking with someone who was at De Schelde in those days and he said the two companies fought over everything when the Kungsholm was under construction. He said there was no expectation that they would build any more ships for Swedish American or Brostrom and basically no relationship with the owners after 1953.

I hear that to but not sure if it was that serious. Thanks fore explaining.

Greetings Ben.


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NAL
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posted 10-05-2011 07:11 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Having enjoyed sailing on both these beauties, by a small margin I preferred Gripsholm, but externally I preferred Kungsholm. I remember Gripsholm seemed to be the happier ship for pax and crew. No one could go wrong with either. They were the tops, and not even Norwegian America Line's Sagafjord nor Vistafjord came quite up to their level.....IMHO. Royal Viking Line never reached their level either.
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thundergod
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posted 10-06-2011 04:29 AM      Profile for thundergod     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually i have heard from several people that many of the employees and even some pax prefered Gripsholm over the later Kungsholm (66) too. I don´t know why?

About building on different shipyards, SAL actually never built two ships at the same yard. SAL was very tactical and smart when ordering their newbuilds. Almost in all cases they got very good and well constructed ships to very low prices. in the book "Amerikabåtarna" it is said that on more than on accasion SAL actually did non oblgated extra payments to shipyards just to keep the relationship up during construction because the contract price was so low.


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Linerrich
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posted 10-06-2011 06:21 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by SSTRAVELER:
That maybe true Ben but De Schelde and Swedish American were basically not on speaking terms when the Kungsholm 1953 was delivered. Not that long ago I was talking with someone who was at De Schelde in those days and he said the two companies fought over everything when the Kungsholm was under construction. He said there was no expectation that they would build any more ships for Swedish American or Brostrom and basically no relationship with the owners after 1953.

This is true--there were a number of delays in the construction of KUNGSHOLM, partly due to SAL's demanding conditions and partly due to unavailability of certain materials. Also the rapid increase in labor costs as well as materials cost, forced KMS (the builders) to actually lose money in this project. The ship, although very well-built, was delivered late, and was a financial disaster for KMS. They never built another passenger ship after this.

The background to all of this is explained in the excellent book "KUNGSHOLM-EUROPA-COLUMBUS C", by Dr. Nico Guns, a Dutchman.

Rich


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rd77
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posted 10-07-2011 02:26 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The book (or should I say "bible") by Nico Guns is an amazing work. It is massive, exhaustive and weighs a ton! I am lucky that my local library stocks it.
And then to think that Guns did several of these massive books on Dutch liners (DEMPO/BALOERAN for example and two(!) volumes on WILLEM RUYS/ACHILLE LAURO).

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posted 10-07-2011 08:06 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by rd77:
The book (or should I say "bible") by Nico Guns is an amazing work. It is massive, exhaustive and weighs a ton! I am lucky that my local library stocks it.
And then to think that Guns did several of these massive books on Dutch liners (DEMPO/BALOERAN for example and two(!) volumes on WILLEM RUYS/ACHILLE LAURO).

I have the DEMPO/BALOERAN book you need a table to reed the heavy book.

Greetings Ben.


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Linerrich
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posted 10-07-2011 08:13 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those huge, lavish Dutch ocean liner books are among the best in my collection. I also have his book on INDRAPOERA.

Another great book is about the ORANJE/ANGELINA
LAURO, by Wim Grund.

If you're an ocean liner fan, these books are invaluable. Even if you don't read Dutch, the photos and plans alone are worth the cost, plus there is usually a summary in English at the end.

Rich

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