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Topic: Saga Rose - Saga?

Noordam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3811

posted 01-28-2010 05:56 PM

I love this ship. Of course I haven't sailed aboard her since she was in the Fjord in 1988, but I still love her.

Any word on her current status? I know she is at Gibraltar, and there have been rumors as to her fate, but nothing has emerged as concrete.

Is she still potentially going to CIC? I would love for her to find a place in their charming fleet, and perhaps a charter out of the UK.

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ahrpd
First Class Passenger
Member # 6229

posted 02-01-2010 10:23 AM

SAGA ROSE docked at the South Mole here this morning for a couple of days before she returns to the Eastern Anchorage on Wednesday. She is having a new anchor fitted after losing one during recent bad weather.

New pics here: http://www.gibraltarport.com/photo_library.cfm#top

Tony

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 02-01-2010 12:42 PM

Having a new anchor fitted might be good news.

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
First Class Passenger
Member # 5641

posted 02-01-2010 12:46 PM

Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES

Hi Tony

Is it known if it is a spare anchor that she carried that is being fitted or one that was available at the dock-yard ?

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r.fiebig
First Class Passenger
Member # 5240

posted 02-22-2010 04:51 AM

According to AIS Live, she is currently enroute to Kenya, travelling at approx. 10 knots.

Best,

Raoul

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
First Class Passenger
Member # 5641

posted 02-22-2010 06:12 AM

It would seem the report is wrong as she was earlier today in the bay off of Ceuta having crossed through the Straits of Gibraltar traffic.

It could be a translation problem as a port is the usual destination and not a country !

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ahrpd
First Class Passenger
Member # 6229

posted 02-22-2010 06:20 AM

She is still here. Lloyds MIU is also showing her destination as Kenya with an ETA of today! A two-month charter was supposed to have been finalised last week but as yet nothing has happened.

Tony

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
First Class Passenger
Member # 5641

posted 02-22-2010 12:21 PM

Hi Tony

Many thanks for the latest news.

Looks like some of the AIS maps jumped the gun !

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LenKinap
First Class Passenger
Member # 23718

posted 02-22-2010 04:03 PM

An ETA order is given by an officer. So an order to Kenya was given (it was the same for QE2 a few months ago for China). AIS has very few bugs, human are sometimes full of bugs ....

The last AIS position dated from yesterday show that she was "en route" for somewhere, but not moored at Gibraltar. Maybe once more the weather.

The last position was:

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SAGA ROSE
Position Recorded on: 2/21/2010 8:38:53 PM (UTC)
Lon/Lat: -4.680666 / 35.667839
Speed/Course: 1.2 kn / 113°
Vessel's track shown for that day.

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LenKinap
First Class Passenger
Member # 23718

posted 02-24-2010 12:33 PM

Today AIS position is:

SAGA ROSE (from C6ZU) - info
2010-02-24 00:43:53z
2 km/h 104°
AIS: longueur 190m largeur 25m tirant d'eau 8.6m
MMSI 308264000 IMO 6416043
Passenger
KENYA (ETA 20100222210000)

Maybe the weather, maybe AIS fault but it does make many faults. Are you sure she is still near Gibraltar ???

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r.fiebig
First Class Passenger
Member # 5240

posted 02-24-2010 01:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by LenKinap:
Are you sure she is still near Gibraltar ???

According to both AIS Live and Vesseltracker.com, she is back at anchor at Gibraltar's Eastern Anchorage at this time. "Gibraltar" is also her shown destination, again.

Best,

Raoul

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LenKinap
First Class Passenger
Member # 23718

posted 02-24-2010 02:19 PM

Hello Raoul,

There is a real problem with AIS. I have cleaned all my cookies, refreshed the page and Marinetraffic.com gives me:

SAGA ROSE
Position Recorded on: 2/24/2010 4:14:53 AM (UTC)
Lon/Lat: -3.946667 / 35.64183
Speed/Course: 1 kn / 124°
Vessel's track shown for that day.

And still the same destination: Kenya

http://aprs.fi/ gives me too:

SAGA ROSE (from C6ZU)
- info 2010-02-24 00:43:53z
2 km/h 104°

MMSI 308264000 IMO 6416043
Passenger
KENYA (ETA 20100222210000)
[ais via Meteomalaga,MarineTraffic]

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r.fiebig
First Class Passenger
Member # 5240

posted 02-24-2010 04:39 PM

The following is the latest position according to AIS Live:

quote:
IMO number 6416043
Name Saga Rose
Callsign C6ZU
MMSI 308264000
Latitude N 36°08.853'
Longitude W 005°18.924'
Last seen at 24/2/2010 21:30:14 UTC
Destination Gibraltar
Heading 239°
ETA 24/2/2010 16:00:00 UTC
Vessel Type Passenger
Length 190 m
Beam 25 m
Draught 8.2 m
Status Anchored
Speed 0.0 knots
Extra Info N/A
Retrieved at 24/2/2010 21:31:16 UTC

And here's Vesseltracker's:

quote:
SAGA ROSE
Passenger Ship
Last seen 7 minutes ago
24. Feb 21:30 UTC (24. Feb 22:30 CET)
Callsign C6ZU
IMO 6416043
MMSI 308264000
Country Bahamas
Current State ANCHORAGE
Anchored 24. Feb 16:39 UTC (24. Feb 17:39 CET)
Roadstead Gibraltar Anchorage
ETA 24. Feb 16:00 UTC (24. Feb 17:00 CET)
Destination Gibraltar
Length x Beam 190.0x25.0 m
Draught 8.2m

Best,

Raoul

[ 02-24-2010: Message edited by: r.fiebig ]

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LenKinap
First Class Passenger
Member # 23718

posted 02-24-2010 04:52 PM

Thanks for the update, it should be a mistake by marinetraffic.com and http://aprs.fi

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Conte Di Savoia
First Class Passenger
Member # 1802

posted 04-08-2010 05:16 PM

Maritimetraffric.com now positions Saga Rose off the coast of Mauretania, nearly as far south as Senegal. Is there any word on her ultimate destination? Has the Kenya deal gone through?

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 04-08-2010 07:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Conte Di Savoia:
Maritimetraffric.com now positions Saga Rose off the coast of Mauretania, nearly as far south as Senegal. Is there any word on her ultimate destination? Has the Kenya deal gone through?

I read that she is heading to S Africa for temporary use as a hotel ship. After that assignment, who knows.

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mike sa
First Class Passenger
Member # 5957

posted 04-09-2010 01:24 AM

I doubt she is heading for SA for use as a hotel, there is no mention of her anywhere here as doing this. Perhaps at best a call to refuel.

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 04-09-2010 02:53 AM

The Football story came from Liners List, but I couldn't see any mention of it anywhere else as Mike says. For the last couple of days her AIS has been showing Walvis Bay, with an ETA of 20 April. Use as an accommodation ship there in Namport seems more plausible, but again there is nothing mentioned anywhere in the news or on websites, that I can find anyway - so could just be for bunkering. We can only do the uusual 'wait and see'. She is certainly on her way somewhere and has been hugging the coastline along the way.

Pam

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
First Class Passenger
Member # 5641

posted 04-09-2010 05:25 AM

The port information on ships expected does not have her listed at Walvis Bay or Cape Town.

As a lot of building work is going on in the area, perhaps she could be used for construction workers accommodation at the Cape Verde islands.

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Conte Di Savoia
First Class Passenger
Member # 1802

posted 04-09-2010 06:10 AM

Peter Knego is reporting on Maritime Matters that she is headed to Cape Town to serve as an accomodation ship for the World Cup Games.

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mike sa
First Class Passenger
Member # 5957

posted 04-09-2010 10:26 AM

Not very likely, there has been absolutely no marketing at all for her so she will be empty, Cape Town already has a excess of accommodation for the World Cup not a shortage, FIFA?Match has just released thousands of rooms back to the owners to sell - Cape Town needs more hotel space like Saga Rose needs a hole in her keel !

That said Peter normally has extremely good sources but there is no record of her booked into Cape Town harbour and as always dock space will be an issue.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 04-09-2010 01:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
I doubt she is heading for SA for use as a hotel, there is no mention of her anywhere here as doing this. Perhaps at best a call to refuel.

I read it on the Maritime Matters site.

[ 04-09-2010: Message edited by: lasuvidaboy ]

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
First Class Passenger
Member # 5641

posted 04-22-2010 04:37 PM

Saga Rose is tonight showing on the Vessel Tracker website as having sailed past Cape Town.

Her destination is now shown as Port Elizabeth.

Could this be a re-fueling stop before heading to one of the ship breakers yards ?

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dmwnc1
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Member # 3785

posted 04-29-2010 08:04 AM

AIS shows her moored at Richards Bay, about 90 miles NE of Durban, SA.

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dmwnc1
Cruise Director
Member # 3785

posted 04-29-2010 10:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by dmwnc1:
AIS shows her moored at Richards Bay, about 90 miles NE of Durban, SA.

Now AIS has her underway bound for Maputo (Mozambique)?

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