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Midshipcentury
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posted 01-13-2010 03:24 PM      Profile for Midshipcentury     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now, my other favorite, the IVORY (ex AUSONIA) will be joining REGAL EMPRESS on the beach. Not unexpected but very sad, nonetheless. Lloyd's List says she went for a mere $2 million USD.

Peter in Moorpark


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rd77
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posted 01-13-2010 04:17 PM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but, as you say, very expected indeed.

By the way, is her lay-up "neighbour" THE EMERALD coming back into service this year?


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jeffrossatsea
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posted 01-13-2010 05:35 PM      Profile for jeffrossatsea   Email jeffrossatsea   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With the way they destroyed her graceful lines years ago...at least she won't suffer the scars anymore...poor girl...Jeff
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Midshipcentury
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posted 01-13-2010 09:27 PM      Profile for Midshipcentury     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jeff, as built, she was perfect to look at but as rebuilt, she was as near perfect in function and layout as any vintage ship could get. Fantastic forward observation deck, full wrap-around boat deck, nice passenger flow and large cabins, many with their gorgeous woodwork intact. I really enjoyed my three cruises in her and likened her to a Med version of REGAL EMPRESS. Ironically, her Romanian entertainment staff was often the same as REGAL E's, too.

I believe THE EMERALD has at least one season left but this can always change with Louis.

Peter


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Anders
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posted 01-14-2010 03:18 AM      Profile for Anders        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What about the future of Louis Cruises' 1967-built SAPPHIRE (ex ITALIA), Peter?
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Midshipcentury
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posted 01-14-2010 03:50 AM      Profile for Midshipcentury     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No news is good news and they claim she will be SOLAS compliant. However, if they do keep the old girl around, she needs a serious refit soon....

Peter


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 01-28-2010 06:47 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Louis Cruises ship Ivory, ex Ausonia, has now been re-named WINNER 5 and registered in St Helena.
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r.fiebig
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posted 01-29-2010 03:49 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to both AISLive and Vesseltracker.com, she has been registered in Basseterre, St. Kitts, not St. Helena.


Best,

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 01-29-2010 04:12 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi

The Digital Seas website shows her information as I have posted !


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dougnewman
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posted 01-29-2010 01:18 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
St. Helena makes no sense at all. I don't think there even is a St. Helena ship register separate from the British register.
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Brian_O
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posted 01-29-2010 06:31 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is highly doubtful that the former Ausonia, or any other ship for that matter, is registered in St. Helena. If St Helena actually did have a ship's registry, then the RMS St. Helena would almost certianly on it. However, the "RMS", as she is referred to by the inhabitants of the island, is registered in the UK. (Source: http://www.rms-st-helena.com )


Brian

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PamM
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posted 01-29-2010 07:05 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"St Helena is a member of the British Red Ensign Group and operate as a Category Two Red Ensign (British) Registry, which can register ships of up to 150 gross tons (GRT) and pleasure vessels, that is, those not operated commercially, of up to 400 GRT. Pleasure vessels, by definition, refer to ships used for sport or pleasure, which are not operated commercially." from here.

So IVORY cannot be registered there. Digital Seas was showing it several days ago, but appears someone has input the info incorrectly. Perhaps St Helena & St Kitts are next to each other on a 'drop down list' so would be easy to get the wrong one.

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Digital Seas has an awful lot of ships showing as registered in St Helena, of which there are many I can see just with a quick glance that are not; the Zhen Hua vessels, Dalmacija, Apollon .... something is very wrong with their listings.

Pam

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 02-05-2010 11:52 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The ex Louis Cruises ship ' Ivory ' is now shown as registered at St Kitts on the AIS maps !
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PamM
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posted 02-17-2010 12:25 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She departed Eleusis Bay just after 14:00 today and is now well on her way to Port Said.

Pam


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posted 03-02-2010 02:08 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The end is nigh:-

Pam


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LenKinap
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posted 03-02-2010 02:45 PM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She is not announced for the moment for immediate beaching at Alang by Exim India (but it's outdated).

She has to receive first an inspection and a clearance to be beached. Beginning of march or after the 13Th.


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LenKinap
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posted 03-03-2010 02:51 AM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

Winner 5 is arrived at Alang yesterday (officialy):

2/3 Winner 5 Shreeji Pass 9664 103

She is scheduled to be dismantled at Plot #103

Honey Ship Breaking Co. previously occupied by NENA M.V.

She is not reported as beached, but the end is near.


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 03-03-2010 05:39 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lenkinap

It is very interesting how you get such up to date information about ships being beached when you say you are in Paris.

You even know what ship was on the plot before the arrival of Winner 5 !

On the ss Maritime website it is thought that you are based in India, not Paris, which would account for all this indirect support for the classifications held by the breakers at Alang and also knowing so much information about the breakers plots at Alang !


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PamM
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posted 03-03-2010 05:54 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I suppose I don't live here either, by that conclusion.

Pam


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timb
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posted 03-03-2010 09:49 AM      Profile for timb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.:
Lenkinap

It is very interesting how you get such up to date information about ships being beached when you say you are in Paris.

You even know what ship was on the plot before the arrival of Winner 5 !

On the ss Maritime website it is thought that you are based in India, not Paris, which would account for all this indirect support for the classifications held by the breakers at Alang and also knowing so much information about the breakers plots at Alang !


Even if he is who cares? I don't see the harm in increased amounts of information. It appears SS Maritime requires some sort of conspiracy involved in any ship it tracks


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 03-03-2010 12:28 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No harm in any sort of information.

With these posts there does seem to be a lot of info being published on an increase in the safety aspects of the ship breaking work at Alang, and all from one source !

Seems funny it has not happened before !


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posted 03-03-2010 02:02 PM      Profile for jetwet1   Author's Homepage   Email jetwet1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So there is a person that knows someone at Alang !

Maybe he is one of the owners of a breakers yard !

Either way it is good that someone is taking the time to update us all on what is going on at the breakers yards !

Is Mr Goossens going to try to broker a deal to save the ship ? !


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posted 03-03-2010 04:23 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jetwet 1

As usual you are off thread.

You should stick to flying !

The poster has already said what he does and who he works for, if it was correct


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posted 03-04-2010 02:24 AM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you look my posting IP, I'm clearly located in Paris suburb. But Exim-news is also an accurate source of information where vessel arrival are noticed every day with plot scheduled for beaching and the final plot when the ship is physically beached.

http://www.exim-india.com/newsletter/vesselmove/charts/alang-arrived.htm

http://www.exim-india.com/newsletter/vesselmove/charts/alang-shortly.htm

And you see that winner 5 has been beached during the night (for me) at plot 103.

Your friend Goossens has only not the right sources.
Who owns the plot 103:

http://www.ashitshipping.com/alang3.htm

This guy see conspiracy everywhere. He is definitively out of the maritime history, he is only doing a self promoting campaign.


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LenKinap
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posted 03-04-2010 02:53 AM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.:
Jetwet 1

As usual you are off thread.

You should stick to flying !

The poster has already said what he does and who he works for, if it was correct



Hello

It was correct. I have describe in my previous post how I collect informations, but I have also contact - as Peter Knego - from Alang. Without doing business with Alang in any case.

The strategic one step-back from R. Goossens is not the first one. He went to far, writes inaccurate and crude posting (remember the "doctored photographs" of Blue Lady bow cutting) and then he find a trick to justify what it is not able to be justified. No he states he is not an expert in ISO standards; well I have seen it!

But when you are working, writing so direct sentences about Alang ship-breaking industry, you have just to know a little what ISO standards means. When a certification group gives an ISO 30 000, you can trust me that the receiver was and is compliant at the time of the certification and that he will be periodically controlled. It's the same for ISO9001/14001. Even in India !!!! In ISO you have "I" for international...

Or this man has no news at all and pick information from the web (where a lot a voluntary inaccurate or outdated writing, photographs are published) or his only source is BAN. And BAN India is a good idea, but an idealist idea. I respect Gopal Krishna work, but he is not objective, realistic and he is doing a melting pot between the worst plots and plots that are compliant with international standards (ISO).

If you know something about shipping industry, you have to know that the removal of all asbestos could compromise the safety of the vessel. Where India is responsible, it was to sign the Basel act. Because they need metal and they have cheap workers. Now they will have problem with every ship with asbestos, PCB even if some (not all) plot have solution to handle these toxics. And the worst ship will finish in countries that are not Basel signatory ...


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