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Midshipcentury
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posted 10-14-2009 01:26 AM      Profile for Midshipcentury     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Unconfirmed reports are that she will go to West Africa. Just back from an eight night cruise on this lovely old liner. Posted the first part of the blog here:

http://maritimematters.blogspot.com/2009/10/penning-ultimate-rose-blog-hail-and.html

Prior BLACK PRINCE Sea Treks now complete.

Two great ships in a row, both of which will be sorely missed.

All the best,

Peter


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bcscot
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posted 10-14-2009 02:02 AM      Profile for bcscot        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Peter. That brings back many recent memories of our trip around Ireland. She is a lovely old ship & I am glad to have sailed on her. I can't imagine that West Africa would be a great destination for her. I wonder what she will be doing there.

Graham.


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Linerrich
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posted 10-14-2009 06:29 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Without knowing anything yet, my guess is that in West Africa she would be used as an accomodations ship, which could spell a horrible end to her, rotting away in the Equatorial heat. It would almost be preferable to have her quickly scrapped or accidentally sunk, but I guess we'll have to see what happens. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong.

Rich


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-14-2009 01:50 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree that scrapping would be far better than having her trashed in some African port as an accomodation ship.
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Midshipcentury
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posted 10-14-2009 02:09 PM      Profile for Midshipcentury     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Honestly, it makes no sense to me. I just reported some confidential bits of information that came along from people whom I would deem reliable sources. Perhaps it will all be proven wrong.

Who on earth would want to go to West Africa to stay in the former SAGAFJORD? If she were to be accommodation, I can only imagine it would be for military or government workers, so there would be no attempt at preservation or even more than minimal maintenance. That is not exactly a tourist destination these days.

So, we sit back and wait for more details, I guess...


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Ernst
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posted 10-14-2009 02:15 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Midshipcentury:
[...]

Who on earth would want to go to West Africa to stay in the former SAGAFJORD? [...]


As you pointed out, who says that every 'static ship' has to be a 'tourist attraction' for people from allover the world?


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Linerrich
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posted 10-14-2009 02:47 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Midshipcentury:
If she were to be accommodation, I can only imagine it would be for military or government workers, so there would be no attempt at preservation or even more than minimal maintenance.
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You are right, "accommodation ship" does not mean "hotel ship." The vessel would quickly become run-down, almost disintegrated, as has happened with other vessels used this way in the past.

Rich


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PamM
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posted 10-14-2009 04:01 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Remember Litva - Green Coast in Luanda. Although she never got to be the planned hotel as money ran out, perhaps something else is afoot.

Pam


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Midshipcentury
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posted 10-15-2009 11:02 PM      Profile for Midshipcentury     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Please let us never see the day when SAGAFJORD is lying on her side like the ex LITVA or RASA SAYANG!

Anyway, just posted the second part of the blog:

http://maritimematters.blogspot.com/2009/10/penning-ultimate-rose-blog-hail-and.html

Peter, catching up...


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-15-2009 11:41 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the excellent blog. Saga Rose looks pristine (or close to it) in your images. She certainly does'nt look like a ship about to be pulled from service. She's like a grand old film actress that looks her best right towards the end (how gay does that sound ) hehe.
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bcscot
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posted 10-16-2009 12:54 AM      Profile for bcscot        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you again Peter for posting your blog here. She is indeed a wonderful old vessel. I have to say though, that we were aware of quite a bit of engine noise & vibration on both sisters (more so than the Black Watch). We even had to request a change of cabin on the Ruby because of the degree of noise & vibration, which made me think of an old steam ship. Our new cabin was much better although you could hear the wood panelling creaking in the night, just like they used to say about the old Queen Mary & Queen Elizabeth. These smaller ships also move about a lot more than the bigger ones. I suppose that this is the authentic old ship experience! However we loved both ships.

One question about your blog please. Where is the 'Garden Lounge'? I do not recall any room called this. Was it the small room off the entrance to the dining room?

Thanks,

Graham.


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Midshipcentury
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posted 10-16-2009 12:59 AM      Profile for Midshipcentury     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My apologies, Graham. The Garden Lounge is the space that later became the Britannia Lounge. I can't seem to be able to call it that, despite my best efforts.

All the best and thanks,

Peter


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bcscot
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posted 10-17-2009 01:29 AM      Profile for bcscot        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Britannia Lounge is a lovely room on both ships. Those pillars are amazing. We liked to take afternoon tea in there as an alternative to the Ballroom.

The only time that I saw the forward observation area, in front of the Britannia Lounge, open for use, was as we came into New York on the Ruby. We came in later than we had done last year on the QE2, so the views were better. Liner Row had so many cruise ships that it looked like Liner Row! Concorde looked a little strange sitting there though! So many people were on the promenade deck that they opened that other area for use.

Graham.


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Midshipcentury
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posted 10-17-2009 12:46 PM      Profile for Midshipcentury     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
During my visits to both SAGA and VISTA during their Cunard days, that area was always open. On the ROSE, anyway, the wood decking has been removed.

Now the deal with West Africa looks like it is off. I'm sensing a bit of MAXIM GORKIY in the air. Last minute sale falls through, et al...

Peter


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bcscot
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posted 10-18-2009 12:19 AM      Profile for bcscot        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fingers crossed for her future!

Peter, did you buy a set of the 'Card Collection' on board the Rose? This is a set of small prints of the Stephen Card paintings on board the Saga Rose. I thought that it was the only souvenir worth buying. They were for sale in the North Cape bar. A nice reminder of the ship.

I had hoped to get a similar collection from the Ruby, but it was the same collection for sale in the shop on the Ruby.

Graham.


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Midshipcentury
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posted 10-18-2009 08:06 PM      Profile for Midshipcentury     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Unfortunately, I forgot to get the cards but hope I will be back on the RUBY at some point to follow through.

Just posted the third installment, featuring shots from the bridge, engine room and fo'c'sle head.

All the best,

Peter


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seabourndt
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posted 10-19-2009 10:33 PM      Profile for seabourndt   Email seabourndt   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hi peter thanks for the blog the engine room was a surprise!! hope there is good newsabout the saga rose what ever bacame of the idea of soton? i too saw stephen cards pictures. i thought it was better taking pictures of the paintings though. he is on the last cruise of the ship. hoping to meet up with him at some point. his paintings are going on the other ships i understand
dave

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bcscot
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posted 10-20-2009 09:24 PM      Profile for bcscot        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you Peter. I enjoyed parts 3 & 4. A nice reminder of a lovely old ship. I wish her a rosey future (sorry about that one ).

Graham.


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Conte Di Savoia
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posted 10-12-2011 10:04 PM      Profile for Conte Di Savoia     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Over the last year or so I've been trying to find a picture of Saga Rose/Sagafjord at some stage of demolition at Changjiang Scrap Yard near Shanghai. Finally tonight I found one at a Web site for the Chinese company which manufactures floating cranes. This photo must be from early in 2010. It is a sad but nevertheless, captivating picture of her. By now she must be razor blades and paper clips.


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-13-2011 12:57 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is sad when a lovely old ship is scrapped as there are no beautiful ships to replace them today. As for Saga Rose, I recall reading that nearly all of her interiors were re-used ashore in China so in some way, Saga Rose is still in use.
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dmwnc1
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posted 10-14-2011 04:27 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nice find! Wish there were more pictures. I loved the ones from Peters website of the SS Norway slowly disappearing. Fascinating to watch these ships that at one time had a heartbeat and were so alive, becoming sad, lifeless, hulks of steel.
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Waynaro
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posted 10-15-2011 12:55 AM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great shot! Thanks for sharing it with us.
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posted 10-24-2011 08:14 AM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
RIP my lovely!
Lets hope someone will save Saga Ruby as her time will run out very soon.

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