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Maasdam
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posted 03-24-2009 11:50 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Queen Elizabeth II Cruise Ship Is Being Dismantled In Dubai

Joe Weisenthal|Mar. 23, 2009, 3:10 PM|2
PrintTags: Economy, Dubai, Bailout, The Rich

Last November, the world's biggest cruise ship, the Queen Elizabeth II retired from active duty and found its way to Dubai. It arrived in a grand procession, and in classic Dubai style, the plan was to turn the gargantuan vessel into a floating hotel.

Fast forward to now and the dream is dead. According to our mole in Dubai, the QEII is being dismantled. There's no business for the hotel, and the idled ship is just sitting there, costing money and polluting the water. Hence, workers are actively pulling it apart, a sad end for such a grand ship.
Frome here.

Greetings Ben.


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PamM
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posted 03-24-2009 12:04 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
"We're still looking for pictures of the dismantling"

Not much evidence of that last weekend.

Pam


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-24-2009 07:20 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I never knew she was the World's biggest cruise ship.
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dougnewman
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posted 03-24-2009 07:52 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wouldn't put much stock in what is said by some genius who can't get the name right or figure out that she is not the world's biggest cruise ship.
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GregSFBayArea
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posted 03-24-2009 11:59 PM      Profile for GregSFBayArea   Email GregSFBayArea   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
I wouldn't put much stock in what is said by some genius who can't get the name right or figure out that she is not the world's biggest cruise ship.

I totally agree. If really true they wanted to get rid of her , they would have offered it up for sale, But I do feel that they will end up not converting QE2 to a first class hotel.


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Willem
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posted 03-25-2009 03:28 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is dismantling the same as scrapping

I thought it was something different


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Maasdam
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posted 03-25-2009 06:00 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Willem:
Is dismantling the same as scrapping

I thought it was something different


scrap
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): scrapped; scrap·ping
Date: circa 1891
1 : to convert into scrap
2 : to abandon or get rid of as no longer of enough worth or effectiveness to retain <scrap outworn methods>

dis·man·tle
Pronunciation: \(ˌ dis-ˈman-təl\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): dis·man·tled; dis·man·tling \-ˈmant-liŋ, -ˈman-təl-\
Etymology: Middle French desmanteler, from des- dis- + mantel mantle
Date: 1579
1: to take to pieces ; also : to destroy the integrity or functioning of
2: to strip of dress or covering : divest
3: to strip of furniture and equipment

Also possible that work have started by stripping here to bare steel?
The item I put here is nothing more then a very bad piece of journalism. But it's a news item about the QE2, and I would not be surprised that there is any true rumor in it.

Greetings Ben.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-25-2009 08:40 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This story is spreading across the internet, but that does not mean that it is accurate of course.
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mike sa
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posted 03-25-2009 10:08 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
More likely that they are removing items for storage ?
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Linerrich
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posted 03-25-2009 10:27 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
More likely that they are removing items for storage ?

I agree. Even if the planned rebuild is to take place, the entire ship will pretty much be gutted out. Cabin furniture, partitions, bulkheads, etc. must be removed. Eventually even the funnel, lifeboats and deck fittings will come off the ship. To anyone, especially a layman, it would look as though the ship is being scrapped or dismantled.

Rich


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Willem
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posted 03-25-2009 10:27 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
More likely that they are removing items for storage ?

That's what I thought.

As for your information, the s.s. Rotterdam has been dismantled for the greater part when in Wilhelmshaven.
I.e. all furniture has been removed, and most of the spaced had been stripped to the bare steel.

But . . . allthough dismantled, she is not scrapped !

To me it is not a good idea to put a subjectline which is in contradiction of the message.


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Ernst
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posted 03-25-2009 11:46 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Willem:

[...]

But . . . allthough dismantled, she is not scrapped !

To me it is not a good idea to put a subjectline which is in contradiction of the message.


I don't see the contradiction. There is a question mark and the cited article (whether it is credible or not is another story) is definitely insinuating that she is dismantled for good and not as part of her conversion to a hotel.

I personally would not give much on that article either. However, I would not base that on the embarrassing errors in the article (biggest cruise ship etc.) or that one can not see anyothing on recent photos (what do you want to see if people work inside the ship?) A journalist who heard a rumor does not have to be expert on passenger ships. (I know, it does not require to be an expert to get that right - but I guess you know what I mean)


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PamM
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posted 03-25-2009 12:00 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is the article which is erroneous and does indicate she is being scrapped with references to dead dream, costing money, polluting water & being pulled apart with no business for a hotel. Her interiors would be dismantled, yes, for either becoming a hotel or if she was going to be scrapped.

Much of her interior has already been removed it seems and there is no evidence from photos of scrapping preparations. The article is totally misleading imho.

Pam


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-25-2009 01:42 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:

Much of her interior has already been removed it seems and there is no evidence from photos of scrapping preparations. The article is totally misleading imho.

Pam


I thought no work has been done at this point. I've read that her owners were considering opening her up for public viewing before the planned major rebuilding takes place. From the images I've seen of her at Dubai, there is little to no activity dockside.


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PamM
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posted 03-25-2009 03:49 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh nothing has been done for a while, I mean during the first few weeks when there was quite a bit of to'ing and fro'ing going on. Nothing with regard to work on her, but removal of 'loose' bits in preparation for a drydock which never came about.

Pam


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Willem
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posted 03-27-2009 10:21 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Daily Echo Article

[ 03-27-2009: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


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feargus
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posted 03-28-2009 08:17 AM      Profile for feargus   Email feargus   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I saw QE2 two days ago in Port Rashid, didn't look like any dismantling was going on to me.
The owners are still in the process of the evaluation of her with respect the repairs / modifications they will make.
I will probably be passing by there again next week so will try to take a closer look.

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posted 03-29-2009 07:09 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On Maritime Matters is a picture of QE2 in Dubai, in response to the article, stating that she is not scrapped and theowners are evaluating what to do .

However, on this picture, it seems the word "CUNARD" painted beneath the bridge has disappeared. Is this indeed the case ? The picture was taken from afar.

I always thought that this was a typical fixture of QE2.

J


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Cunard Fan
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posted 03-29-2009 12:37 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes they have painted over the "Cunard". There is a picture on Wikipedia were you can see that the logo is painted over. If you look really closly though you can still see it under the paint.

Heres the picture.

The article on Maritime Matters says they took the QE2 out for a bit to keep her engines in good shape. I didn't know that. They should have sold tickets.


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-29-2009 05:53 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Seems silly to paint out the CUNARD sign on QE2. That was such a unique part of her when she was built. What next, painting out the Cunard Red on the funnel?? Even in the film 'The Poseidon Adventure', the ss 'Poseidon' retained QM's Cunard livery which today I am sure would force a lawsuit by Carnival.
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Cunard Fan
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posted 03-29-2009 08:37 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe they will replace it with Nakheel. I really hope not though. I would barf.

They should have left the Logo.


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Guest
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posted 03-29-2009 09:23 PM      Profile for Guest        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She still looked good - with QV yesterday - here.
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posted 03-30-2009 12:28 AM      Profile for GregSFBayArea   Email GregSFBayArea   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
Yes they have painted over the "Cunard". There is a picture on Wikipedia were you can see that the logo is painted over. If you look really closly though you can still see it under the paint.

Heres the picture.

The article on Maritime Matters says they took the QE2 out for a bit to keep her engines in good shape. I didn't know that. They should have sold tickets.


Is it just a rumor that QE2 got underway,,,, or did someone really see it underway... there not really any reason to take it out to maintain her systems, except the electric motors that turn the shafts,,, every thing else can be ran pierside. but since she was to be gutted out, makes me wonder if they plan on selling the ship, that can still be operated.

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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The AIS maps showing her track appeared to indicate that she had just moved along the quayside !
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PamM
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Her port departure and arrival times indicate she was only away for 3 minutes - however her track shows another story. She's good at The Twist, a 'handbrake 360degree turn' at 25kts, sailed through the Al Maktoum Hospital and succeeded in obliterating most of the port infrastructure/cranes

I wonder what she really did.

Pam


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