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DAMBROSI
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posted 02-05-2007 10:01 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought you would like to see this, a friend of mine showed this to me tonight..I think you'll like this. BIG U
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joe at travelpage
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posted 02-05-2007 10:08 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, this is a great view. It has been available for a while on Virtual Earth:


Larger Version


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Ernst
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posted 02-05-2007 10:13 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What a view. She still looks gorgeous.

Maybe you have seen her already - but still - watch this - thanks for posting.


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 02-05-2007 11:09 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just looked up ss Independence laid up in San Fran. I always wondered what they did w/her mast and it can be clearly seen-stored up on her starboard bow.
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viking109
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posted 02-06-2007 10:06 AM      Profile for viking109        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you look carefully you can see the feasabilty study going on.
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dmwnc1
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posted 02-06-2007 11:10 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Messing around you can also see these 'odd view-angled shots' of the PuttPutt golf course on the Fascination in Miami, a Carnival-Spirit Class in NYC next to the Intrepid and Concorde, the rows of submarines and ships awaiting dismantling in Bremerton, Wa, the Navy reserve fleet in Suisun Bay, Ca, among other interesting nautical subjects.
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dmwnc1
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posted 02-06-2007 11:27 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...however,

looking at these shots of the once great BIG U really make me kind of sad, that shes been sitting around for decades like this, towed across the ocean to Turkey and back, and nothing has still been done. From this angle she doesnt look as dilapidated as from the ground level shots.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 02-06-2007 11:34 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by viking109:
If you look carefully you can see the feasabilty study going on.

...and on and on and on!

A great image, thanks for sharing. She looks in good condition from up high. However, ground level images reveal a lot of rust annd decay.


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DAMBROSI
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posted 02-06-2007 03:59 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would rather sail on her, then the huge ships out there now. I would feel it's more of a ship, than a box. My opinion.
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Cunard Fan
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posted 02-06-2007 04:55 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by DAMBROSI:
I would rather sail on her, then the huge ships out there now. I would feel it's more of a ship, than a box. My opinion.

Dido!


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posted 02-13-2007 08:14 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by viking109:
If you look carefully you can see the feasabilty study going on.

Yes, in fact they're figuring out at the moment how feasible it is to move a pile of dust from one spot to another.

If Donald Trump took this long to deliberate on anything, the project would fail. What the hell are they doing? It took me less time to get a bachelor's degree.


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Ernst
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posted 02-13-2007 08:20 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
... well, such an investigation is also 'a bit' more complex than achieving a bachelor degree.

Seriously - I do not believe that the investigation is the limiting thing - and I do not remember that NCL said so.


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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 02-13-2007 09:21 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by BigUFan:

If Donald Trump took this long to deliberate on anything, the project would fail. What the hell are they doing? It took me less time to get a bachelor's degree.


Did your degree come with an instruction kit on how to build a cruise ship?

A newbuild can take anywhere from 12 to 36+ months just to produce the initial prototype and the financial modeling that must accompany it can take that long or longer.

And with each variance or change in the design, the financial models must be recalculated or re-done.

Given the fact that rebuilding the Big U represents a far more complex and delicate proposition, it is not surprising that it is taking this long at all. And factor in that this project is not "job 1" for NCL Corp, it will be alotted human and financial resources whenever they are available, it is bound to be a minimum of 5-7 years before any real work would begin - at the earliest.

--Tim


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BigUFan
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posted 02-13-2007 09:37 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Then this might not be the right course of action for them, because by the time they get all that ironed out, the hull will probably be in worse shape than it is today.

[ 02-13-2007: Message edited by: BigUFan ]


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posted 02-13-2007 10:06 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What about the simple explanation that they can not afford it right now? We talk about a lot of money for a risky project - at least they keep her laid up.
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BigUFan
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posted 02-15-2007 11:04 AM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fair point, especially considering that NCLA has not been anything like a resounding success yet. If they can't resolve the issues with NCLA, there's no point in putting a huge investment into revitalization of the Big U. Her reentering into service in such a climate would result in a huge black mark on her otherwise illustrious career, aside from the years of layup mind you. I would not want to see that. If she is to return to service, I'd want to see her as the success that she was.
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desirod7
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posted 02-15-2007 12:10 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It must have been said 1000 times.

Rehabbing the BigU is not like rehabbing the Carnival Holiday or the Norwegian Dream/Sea which are rather straightforward conventional boxboats; a nautical Chevy Caprice/Ford Crown Vic.

The BigU with all the camber, sheer, tumblehome, milspec subdivisions is like restoring a vintage Rolls Royce.

Add to that the stability compromises with a 21 century superstructure. It will need more than a ducktail.

The major shipyards with the resources would rather not take the job, [source:Sea Trade] and prefer to crank out another boxboat with higher profit and less risk.


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posted 02-15-2007 12:16 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you are wondering what her interiors look like today, check out this page with pictures from a visit on board in 1999.

Passenger Hallway

Joe at TravelPage.com


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posted 02-15-2007 01:42 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:
And factor in that this project is not "job 1" for NCL Corp....


Originally they said that it was 'job 1' after the completion of NCL America fleet, but ishe has slipped down the leauge table.

[ 02-15-2007: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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posted 02-15-2007 02:14 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by BigUFan:
Fair point, especially considering that NCLA has not been anything like a resounding success yet.

Other than the higher labor costs (and the difficulty finding suitable U.S. citizens that are willing to work long hard hours) They seem to be a great success. Their ships are filled every week and NCLA charge higher rates that the Caribbean ships. Compare that to 10 years ago when there was only ss Independence doing the same service and carrying 800 passengers per week. Now NCLA fills two 2000 passenger mega ships on the same 7-day inter island service.


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posted 02-15-2007 02:24 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
They seem to be a great success.

Newbuilds cost a small fortune to build. Cruise lines may well borow the money and pay interest on the loans. Then their is the staff wages to pay, fuel, consumables (food) etc. and maintenece cost which slowly increase.

I would imagine any newbuild must take at least five years to pay for itself before a profit is generated, maybe longer.

NCL America has two newbuilds and the associated infrastructure to pay for, such as Admin, a staff training School and other support services. Even with the high fares, I would imagine they will not see a 'real' profit for at least 10 years.

Cruising is a long term investment.

[ 02-15-2007: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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DAMBROSI
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posted 02-15-2007 06:13 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I still think she's a useable vessel and has a lot to offer. I would not think this is over for BIG U, I still have hope they will do something with her. And to me, I think she's more seaworthy than what's out there now. I'm all for smaller ships and she would fit in just fine for those who don't want the larger vessels out there now.
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viking109
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posted 02-15-2007 07:13 PM      Profile for viking109        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just looked at those 8 year old photos. At what point does all that rust become terminal.
I understand that most of it could be sandblasted away , but what would be left? Escpecially if the ship is to stand as is for a few more years. The interiors look very clean though.

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posted 02-16-2007 09:24 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I never realized this..why are her propellers off??? I've never known this before.
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posted 02-17-2007 02:16 AM      Profile for feargus   Email feargus   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
her props were probably removed to reduce drag when she was being towed around world a few years back. to put them back on would have meant going back into dry dock. as she hasn't moved under her own power for a dogs age it would have been an unnecessary expense.
sitting in the water doing nothing she is better off with her props removed, it will reduce slightly the corrosion to her steel hull below the water line.

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