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The PASTEUR was completed in 1939 for the French Cie. Sudatlantique, but never entered commercial service due to the outbreak of WWII. She was quite a luxurious and innovative ship, but was quickly converted into a troop ship and continued that role for France to the Far East until the late 1950s. North German Lloyd then bought the ship, converting her into their BREMEN. Later still she sailed for Chandris as the REGINA MAGNA, and sank in 1980 in the Indian Ocean.
Rich
quote:Originally posted by Linerrich:Her large stack, placed so far forward, always made the ship look ungainly and unattractive. But I think this view and angle make her look the best.Rich
I agree. Her funnel is (IMO) too massive and too forward. I prefer the Bremen version. However, I think it's a great looking ship.
quote:Originally posted by Vaccaro:And for learning more about this fascinating liner, many b&w and color photos, drawings, deckplans and all, I'd recommend the book issued by JYB Aventures editions, "Le PASTEUR - 1938-1980" by Jean-Yves Brouard, November 2005 - ISBN:2-9515843-8-5
Actually I'm reading this book now--it's fascinating, and I never realized how luxurious and innovative the PASTEUR was in 1939. One caution to CTers: the text is entirely in French, not English.
quote:Originally posted by Linerrich:--it's fascinating, and I never realized how luxurious and innovative the PASTEUR was in 1939. ...Rich
--it's fascinating, and I never realized how luxurious and innovative the PASTEUR was in 1939. ...Rich
This was exactly my first reaction when I first leafed through it when I was given it as a birthday present last december 19th! (but it was me who chose it in the bookshop...)A must have since very few books dealing in depth with this rather not widely known ship are available.
As for the French language of the book, perhaps if someone is really interested in this ship, if we French or non-English native speaking persons can manage to learn English, perhaps some English speaking persons can manage to learn French... This is exactly what you did no?
[ 09-27-2006: Message edited by: Vaccaro ]
quote:Originally posted by Linerrich:One caution to CTers: the text is entirely in French, not English. Rich
One caution to CTers: the text is entirely in French, not English.
That's OK for me !
quote:Originally posted by Vaccaro:if we French or non-English native speaking persons can manage to learn English, perhaps some English speaking persons can manage to learn French... This is exactly what you did no?[ 09-27-2006: Message edited by: Vaccaro ]
if we French or non-English native speaking persons can manage to learn English, perhaps some English speaking persons can manage to learn French... This is exactly what you did no?
French use to be taught in some schools as recently as the late 1970s but was replaced w/Spanish. French really does not come in handy when the vast majority of immigrants here speak only Spanish.
quote:Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:French use to be taught in some schools as recently as the late 1970s but was replaced w/Spanish. French really does not come in handy when the vast majority of immigrants here speak only Spanish.
...but very handy when it's time to learn more about a generally not well documented liner as PASTEUR is, through a French written book! (that's what matters and the biggest reason worth the effort!)
And anyway, no need to limit oneself to one foreign language only, one can learn Spanish and French...
quote:Originally posted by Vaccaro:...but very handy when it's time to learn more about a generally not well documented liner as PASTEUR is, through a French written book! (that's what matters and the biggest reason worth the effort!) And anyway, no need to limit oneself to one foreign language only, one can learn Spanish and French...
I would love to speak more French as it is a lovely language. My Mother speaks French as well as Spanish but for some reason Spanish came easier to me-I guess more chances to use it here on the US West Coast.
The overall concept of one huge funnel making an impact was, of course repeated in CARONIA. Something of a reaction to the 3 and 4 funnel era, I would guess. But in CARONIA's case the placement was more central and more pleasing. I have seen claims that PASTEUR's funnel was the largest, and that CARONIA's was the largest. PASTEUR's was surely taller.
Would that have been the same ship with him justaddding the name Louis or was there another ship called Louis Pasteur.
quote:Originally posted by Indarra:That's the nicest picture I've ever seen of PASTEUR. Unfortunately, the funnel does not appear to be an aesthetic success. Placement possibly was dictated by the position of boilers, or by the late '30s fashion of placing funnels (usually in pairs) forward so as to appear racy. I wonder what the book says about this.
The book does mention that consideration was given to having a dummy funnel aft, but in the end it was decided that one massive funnel forward would give a sleek, powerful look to the liner. And there was indeed a trend in the late '30s towards this design. Just look at Norddeutscher-Lloyd's intended AMERIKA and VIKTORIA, as well as Vladimir Yourkovitch's BRETAGNE: they all would have had massive funnels located forward. PASTEUR was the only ship of this nature which was completed.
I believe she turned into the Bremen? and recall seeing the Bremen in St. Thomas as a child.
quote:Originally posted by desirod7:Rich,I believe she turned into the Bremen? and recall seeing the Bremen in St. Thomas as a child.
Right, she was sold to North German Lloyd in the late '50s. They converted her into a luxury two-class liner for crossings and one-class cruising, entering service as BREMEN in 1959. And, as posted at the top of the thread, in the '70s she became Chandris' REGINA MAGNA.
The "Pasteur which became the "Bremen" has an interesting history here: http://stoenworks.com/Louis%20Pasteur.html
But my beloved MM Lines operated a white-hulled "Pasteur" on the France - South American route in the 1960s. It was larger than their "Cambodge" but was a handsome ship. As the name "Pasteur" was again available, as the previous incumbent had become the "Bremen," "Le Pasteur" sailed, I believe, until the demise of MM Lines.
(For some reason the image will not come up. Try here for a photo): http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/MM4.html#anchor900394]
[ 09-28-2006: Message edited by: Cambodge ]
quote:Originally posted by Cambodge:But my beloved MM Lines operated a white-hulled "Pasteur" on the France - South American route in the 1960s. It was larger than their "Cambodge" but was a handsome ship.[ 09-28-2006: Message edited by: Cambodge ]
Right--Messageries Maritimes' PASTEUR entered service in 1966. She only operated for a few years for them, before becoming the CHIDAMBARUM in 1973, for service in the Far East.
And here in here Chandris days.
Greetings Ben.
A beautiful ship, but the funnel does look rather ungainly. Even if they wanted a "large" single forward funnel it should have been lower I think.
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