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Ocean Liners
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posted 11-22-2003 01:06 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here are photos of the Flandre.

Grand Salon

First Class outside Cabin

Here are photos of the Carla C.





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posted 11-22-2003 05:54 AM      Profile for Italian Cruiser   Email Italian Cruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow...wonderful pics Ocean Liners !
Thanks for them...
Previously I have seen only few pics of her interiors as Pallas Athena...how many changes ! Only the Continental Restaurant was pretty the same, only with different colours. The Observation Lounge was completely redone.
Her cabins look larger than those aboard the Eugenio Costa....sadly...as many other wonderful liners, Carla Costa is gone...
Thanks again Ocean Liners.

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posted 11-22-2003 08:23 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Italian Cruiser

Here is the Pallas Athena Itinerary from Epirotiki Preview 1994 brochure.
As you know, she caught fire on Mar 24, 1994.
Therefore she has never cruised on the itinerary below.


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posted 11-22-2003 09:35 AM      Profile for Italian Cruiser   Email Italian Cruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks again Ocean Liners !
Carla Costa looked great in Epirotiki colours...I believe that she was one of their best ship.
In 1994 she was replaced on the Golden Fleece Cruises by the Triton. During the same year Epirotiki chartered the Agean Dolphin ( now Aegen 1 ) and the Ocean Majesty ( operated as the Olympic ).
The company, now Royal Olympia Cruises, still performs this itinerary, in 2004 with the World Renaissance, another ship strictly involved with Costa.

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posted 02-23-2006 10:51 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In her early years they called her the Flounder since she had many mechanical problems
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posted 02-23-2006 11:37 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On the CARLA C., you had to completely leave the passenger areas to find any remnants of the French Line FLANDRE. This photo was taken in officers' country, on Sun Deck forward, leading to the bridge, showing an original balustrade:

Rich


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posted 02-23-2006 11:56 AM      Profile for TCSsa   Email TCSsa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi!!
I have a question about the FLANDRE/CARLA COSTA. THe first picture you posted shows the First Class lounge on the FLANDRE,outside the weindows it looks like an inside promenade Deck.
WHen Costa bought the FLANDRE did they replace public rooms on that deck with cabins?? I always thought the CARLA had a limited amount of public rooms on the PRomenade Deck where the main Lido deck was!!
TCS
Post some more pics of this beautiful ship!!
Both the FLANDRE and ANTILLES were victims of fire like many other Franch ships-NORMANDIE,L'ATLANTIQUE,PARIS.

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posted 02-23-2006 12:33 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by TCSsa:
Hi!!
I have a question about the FLANDRE/CARLA COSTA. THe first picture you posted shows the First Class lounge on the FLANDRE,outside the weindows it looks like an inside promenade Deck.
WHen Costa bought the FLANDRE did they replace public rooms on that deck with cabins?? I always thought the CARLA had a limited amount of public rooms on the PRomenade Deck where the main Lido deck was!!
TCS
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There were 12 first class cabins just forward of Grand Salon(First photo) on Upper Promenade Deck on the Flandre.

The Grand Salon is sutiated between Enclosed Promenade decks. so you may see the doors in the first photo. rest of area was first class public rooms(Reading room, Private Bar, Sprots room and smoking room) and outside Swimming pool.

When she sailed as Carla C, 12 cabins were removed and created into Observation Lounge(Full width), Bar and Lounge.
Grand Salon transformed into Card room(portside), Cinema(midship) Reading room remains same location. Sports room and Private Bar were transformed to Half part of Grand Salon(former Smoking room area) thus Grand Salon was moved bit forward to create Lido Bar and Dessing Rooms.

Rich will explain more info on Carla C.

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Hi!!
THanks for the response!
WHere were the 2nd class public rooms on the FLANDRE?? Did Costa add the pool on the Sun Deck up top? DId'nt Costa also add a casino later on in the 80s and a geleteria? Wasnt the ANTILLES much more sumptuous than the FLANDRE??
I also read once that Epirotiki was going to rebuilt the PALLAS ATHENA,I wonder what she would have looked like!!! I think they should have brought the supertructure forward because her foredeck was very long for a liner and she didnt need cargo holds for cruise work!!
TCS

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posted 02-23-2006 09:54 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't say about tourist class because I have only first class Deck Plan.

Carla C had newly built outdoor swimming pool on Sun Deck.

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posted 02-24-2006 08:14 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by TCSsa:

WHere were the 2nd class public rooms on the FLANDRE?? Wasnt the ANTILLES much more sumptuous than the FLANDRE??

TCS


The Cabin Class (2nd C.) public rooms were all located aft on FLANDRE/ANTILLES, the highest being on Promenade Deck, which had a large, glassed in Promenade, the Library, Children's Room, and a small pool as well as open deck at the fantail. Costa converted this space into cabins, added a chapel, 2 elevators, a health club, and removed the pool.

On Main Deck aft, where CARLA C. had all cabins, originally was the Cabin Class Smoking Room to portside, Cabin Class Lounge to starboard, and 32 cabins.

One down on "A" Deck (Costa's Continental Deck) were the smallish Cabin Class Dining Room and 18 cabins right aft. Costa extended the dining room all the way aft, replacing the cabins.

Tourist Class (3rd C.) public rooms were located forward on Main Deck, which consisted of a small dining room and a small lounge only. Costa converted the dining room into 4 cabins, and the other spaces became crew areas.

As to which ship was the more lavish, from all photos I've seen they were pretty much the same. If anything, the FLANDRE would have been more luxurious, since she was placed on the more prestigious North American service.

Rich


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quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

One down on "A" Deck (Costa's Continental Deck) were the smallish Cabin Class Dining Room and 18 cabins right aft. Costa extended the dining room all the way aft, replacing the cabins.

Rich


In addition, Continental Lounge was the first class Dining Room, the small well was created into Barber shop and Beauty shop off the foyer on the Main Deck.

Children's Dining Room(Starboard) was converted into two cabins.

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Carla C seems much more exciting interiorwise than Flandre, apart from her name.

Incidentally for those interested : Flandre refers to the French part of the old county of Flanders.
The Belgian part of Flanders, is I think, referred to in the pluriel : "Flandres"

J


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quote:
Originally posted by Johan:
Carla C seems much more exciting interiorwise than Flandre

J


I suspect that is true of most modern cruise ships over classic liners. (I can already hear the cries of dissent!)

But as grand and elegant as the main salons of the ocean liners were, the range and function of these rooms were somewhat limited. Today's floating resorts offer many more amenities, selections and different types of venues, available to all passengers.

Rich


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