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harborman
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posted 02-21-2014 04:00 PM      Profile for harborman   Email harborman   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
After an epic winter, New Jersey is pretty much out of road salt.


Through Feb. 11, the Garden State has spread 372,000 tons of salt this year, 44 percent more than during all of last year. Even though it's a balmy 40 degrees this week, politicians live in fear of being unprepared for a snowstorm. So they're desperate to replenish depleted road salt stocks.


Finding more salt was hard enough, but New Jersey managed to secure 40,000 tons from Maine. Then New Jersey's transportation officials realized they had no way of shipping it in, because of a 90-year-old maritime law.


The Jones Act requires that any cargo shipped between two U.S. ports has to be carried by a U.S. flagged ship -- one that's American-owned, American-built, and crewed by American citizens. This tends to limit the options.


New Jersey officials have applied for a federal waiver, but the U.S. Department of Homeland Security says it will grant a waiver only if "federal transportation officials confirmed that no vessels with United States flags were available to move the cargo," according to a report in The New York Times. Oh, and it would also have to be in the best interest of national defense.


So while government officials scour U.S. ports for a boat big enough to carry 40,000 tons of salt, and presumably someone somewhere tries to decide whether icy conditions on the Garden State Parkway constitute a threat to national security, New Jersey is left with little choice but to do this: spread a briny liquid mixed with sand on its roads.


That's right, New Jersey has resorted to covering its roads in pickle juice. (I'm not sure which is weirder, that or spreading cheese brine on the roads, as they do in Wisconsin.)


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SSTRAVELER
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posted 02-23-2014 11:49 AM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am not sure what your point is here. Maybe that New Jersey is pickled?

The New Jersey folks found their barge and the bulk salt arrived in the port the end of the week. It was being off loaded and distributed to the various towns and cities in Northern New Jersey. Maybe the real issue is all the silly folks who did not prepare for a bad winter because the last two have been so mild?

The Jones Act is creating jobs today in the USA and right in Philadelphia at the shipyard. I would not be surprised if some of those shipyard workers lived across the Delaware in New Jersey too.

Because of the Jones Act companies from Crowley to Exxon are building coastal vessels in American shipyards, employing Americans, using American materials, etc. etc. etc. The shipyard in Philadelphia is booked up for the next few years as is another shipyard in Mississippi. So it seems that the Jones Act is doing exactly what it was designed to do over 100 years ago -- which is keep Americans employed in the maritime industries.

Oh and as for the necessary waivers .... two years ago they did grant it to move gasoline into the New York/New Jersey area after the super storm that destroyed infrastructure and left gas in short supply.

If there truly had not been a barge available I am sure a waiver would have been possible but in this case it was simply a bunch of lazy politicians crying (and elements who want to do away with the Act exploiting it) instead of doing their job and finding the barge in the first place.


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Frosty 4
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posted 02-23-2014 11:56 AM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wish the cruise industry was exempt from the Jones Act. Going to a foreign port before returning to a US port seems ridiculous. Then you also have to go thru customs.
We're doing a California coastal in Sept. I don't intend to leave the ship in Ensenada,yet we have to go thru customs in LA on return .
I assume they are still trying to get by with this???
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steeplechase
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posted 02-23-2014 02:13 PM      Profile for steeplechase   Author's Homepage   Email steeplechase   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I disagree about an exemption for cruise ships. Pride of America is classified as American Built but only her hull was that I know about. Does anybody have a picture of her before she was shipped off for fitting out? And let's build an American flagged ship! Have a McDonalds and Burger King on board. There is already 24 hour pizza maybe add milkshakes? I think a white trash cruise line is in order here. Have a rusty pick up on display in the dining room and call it Billy Bob's no upcharge though maybe refund $25 if you eat there.
Bring back skeet shooting and maybe have the ship play the Dukes of Hazard theme. A Harley Davidson Bar! Hooters review at midnight? There has got to be some other ideals out there??

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LaLa
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posted 02-23-2014 04:18 PM      Profile for LaLa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by steeplechase:
I disagree about an exemption for cruise ships. Pride of America is classified as American Built but only her hull was that I know about. Does anybody have a picture of her before she was shipped off for fitting out? And let's build an American flagged ship! Have a McDonalds and Burger King on board. There is already 24 hour pizza maybe add milkshakes? I think a white trash cruise line is in order here. Have a rusty pick up on display in the dining room and call it Billy Bob's no upcharge though maybe refund $25 if you eat there.
Bring back skeet shooting and maybe have the ship play the Dukes of Hazard theme. A Harley Davidson Bar! Hooters review at midnight? There has got to be some other ideals out there??

We shall call it.. "Carnival".... Oh wait.


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SSTRAVELER
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posted 02-23-2014 04:50 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
By the by ... I believe I am correct in saying the 1920 Merchant Marine Act (known as the Jones Act) only limits the movement of cargo between US ports. And waivers do get granted.

The regulation for passengers I believe comes from the Passenger Vessel Service Act of 1886 which only limits the movement of people between US ports without calling at a more distant foreign port. For years Cartagena, Columbia benefited from this for all the ships wanting to sail between Florida and California via the Panama Canal. It's thank to this act that you fly to Seattle and bus to Canada and fly to San Diego and bus to Mexico to board a ship. But the act has been amended to permit the ships to sail between San Juan and the US mainland as long as no US flag vessel is doing it.

For passengers I grant you the limit is silly but for cargo, oil, etc. the Jones Act is providing a real benefit to the shipbuilding and merchant marine sectors. You could argue the higher costs are being passed to the American consumer but if those people were out of work the American tax payers would be paying their welfare instead.


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