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CGT
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posted 01-08-2007 04:26 PM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Coast Guard says plastic explosives are detected at Port of Miami

From Associated Press 12:57 PM PST, January 8, 2007

MIAMI -- A package that was going to be loaded onto a cruise ship at the Port of Miami tested positive for plastic explosives today, the Coast Guard said. The package was tested six times, and each time it came back positive for the military-grade explosive known as C4, said Petty Officer James Judge. The package was destroyed, and a Miami-Dade County police bomb squad was inspecting the remains to determine if there were any explosives inside. Police spokesman Bobby Williams said the instruments used to test the package sometimes give false positives. "We still need to check it out," Williams said. The package was included in provisions that were to be loaded aboard Royal Caribbean International's Majesty of the Seas. Explosives detection instruments gave the positive reading about 2 p.m., the cruise line said. The FBI was monitoring the situation, spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said. The developments came a day after three Middle Eastern men in a cargo truck sparked a brief terrorism scare at the port. After a bomb squad search, authorities concluded that the men were carrying automotive parts and that the scare stemmed from miscommunication.

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posted 01-08-2007 04:56 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Turns out that this, too, was a false alarm, like yesterday's incident. See here:

http://www.nbc6.net/news/10697209/detail.html

But it just goes to show a heightened level of security (and insecurity) in our post 9/11 world!

Rich


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posted 01-08-2007 07:29 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yesterday's debacle was described as a 'Comedy of Errors' in the press, all a misunderstanding due to language difficulties... today's was perhaps being too vigilent and relying on technology.. why do such things ever make the press anyway? they should be kept under wraps until something is certain and dealt with. If you think a package really does contain explosive.. why test it 6 times!

Pam


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posted 01-08-2007 09:28 PM      Profile for Jonathan   Author's Homepage   Email Jonathan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Because a lot of Americans dont use common sense. I mean look at all the airline incidents that happen and how many middle eastern people are acused in our airports for being terrorist. They rely too much on fear and not common sense. And besides once they had it and it tested positive why nt just get rid of it?

Jonathan


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posted 01-08-2007 10:59 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan:
I mean look at all the airline incidents that happen and how many middle eastern people are acused in our airports for being terrorist.

Jonathan


What is a real lack of common sense is asking an 80 year old white grandmother from Iowa to go through a second security check.


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posted 01-09-2007 11:54 AM      Profile for timb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

What is a real lack of common sense is asking an 80 year old white grandmother from Iowa to go through a second security check.



I makes perfect sense. It prevents other people of Middle Eastern decent from complaining about profiling

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posted 01-09-2007 01:52 PM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
What is a real lack of common sense is asking an 80 year old white grandmother from Iowa to go through a second security check.
Until you read about Nezar Hindawi.

If you don't know about Hindawi, it's worth finding out. Nobody should be above suspicion.


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posted 01-09-2007 02:19 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by timb:


I makes perfect sense. It prevents other people of Middle Eastern decent from complaining about profiling

[ 01-09-2007: Message edited by: timb ]



The problem is that Arab Middle Eastern men are NOT profiled. In our politically correct society, the TSA would sooner pull a 90 year old white woman from Kansas out of line for a secondary screening and let a 'Middle Eastern looking' 20 year old man through. It is all about odds and the odds on favorite at THIS TIME is that the Middle Eastern looking man (or woman) could be a possible problem-sad but true. I have a girlfriend-a second generation US born Lebanese-American (just like TV star Danny Thomas ) and she gets the odd second TSA check. She accepts it because she understands that not all Arabs are terrorists but ALL the terrorists on 9/11 were Arab Muslims.


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posted 01-09-2007 08:54 PM      Profile for 6263866   Email 6263866   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PHEW!
Well, I still question why someone would place explosives on a cruise ship? I say this because their goal would have to be trying to cripple the cruising economy and not to cause a high amount of casualties.

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posted 01-10-2007 06:38 AM      Profile for Cunardcoll   Author's Homepage   Email Cunardcoll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
what they say about machines sometimes giving false alarms , that's NOT true , it's impossible to give false on those machines , if it's twice positive there is something , believe me.

Jochen


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posted 01-10-2007 07:40 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What machines are they using for this though? There are some about which use 'density detection' [if that's the right description?] rather than sniffing for chemicals, as they are the ones which caused scares over some cheeses, chocolate, cakes etc thinking they were explosives, and the cause of not being able to take Christmas Cakes on planes a couple of years back. [The Christmas Cake thing was in the US.. perhaps different detection systems or upgraded since then?].

Pam


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posted 01-10-2007 07:45 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cunardcoll:
what they say about machines sometimes giving false alarms , that's NOT true , it's impossible to give false on those machines , if it's twice positive there is something , believe me.

Jochen



First - we do not know which 'machines' we are talking about.

Second - there can be false alarm.


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posted 01-10-2007 02:16 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 6263866:
PHEW!
Well, I still question why someone would place explosives on a cruise ship? I say this because their goal would have to be trying to cripple the cruising economy and not to cause a high amount of casualties.

It is all about scaring people and if a few innocents get killed in the process all the better in the terrorists minds. If a terrorsits was successful w/an attack on a cruise ship, it would cause a small decline in bookings for several months. If a ship(s) had to be laid up that would really be a surprise as the lines would rather heavily discount their cruises and send the ships out full.


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posted 01-10-2007 02:35 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

If a ship(s) had to be laid up that would really be a surprise as the lines would rather heavily discount their cruises and send the ships out full.

That proved true after 9/11--people were afraid to travel anywhere, and the cruise industry suffered. But once the cruise lines lowered rates to unbelievably low fares, people decided to risk their lives and go after all!

Rich


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Remember a while back when those terrorist off somalia attacked the seabourn ship that thing got hit with a rocket propelled granade that didnt even do any damage but get imbeted into the steel. Also i think think terrorist would really understand the schematics of a ship to successfully destory it there are weak and strong spots and i dont think they could find where those spots are. But i still laugh when i see that movie/picture of the terrorist attacking the ship in their small dingy holding sticks lol.


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quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan:
Remember a while back when those terrorist off somalia attacked the seabourn ship that thing got hit with a rocket propelled granade that didnt even do any damage but get imbeted into the steel.

Luck - hitting a window or other weaker parts of the ship would have causes severe damage.


Also i think think terrorist would really understand the schematics of a ship to successfully destory it there are weak and strong spots and i dont think they could find where those spots are. [...]
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Not all terrorists are stupid.


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Yeah but still flying a plane into a building or the ground etc. isnt that hard but a ship is more complex than an airplane.

Jonathan


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quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan:
Yeah but still flying a plane into a building or the ground etc. isnt that hard but a ship is more complex than an airplane.

Jonathan


Whether a ship or a plane is more complex system is certainly an interesting discussion. Anyhow - flying a plane into a building is not as easy as it might seem.

The point is that ships are also vulnerable and there are enough crazy people out there making it necessary to be vigilant. There is no reason to panic but one should not play it down either.


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Yeah... But when i sail on a ship i feel a lot safer than i do flying in an airplane. Atleast i know if i ship got attacked we could all get off and into the boats where as on a plane its either gain back control or crash. Also when i walk through port security and ship security it seems a little more stepped up than in the airports. But that all is just MO.


Jonathan

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posted 01-10-2007 09:16 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ships are of course very safe. (not that planes are unsafe)
Nevertheless ships are of course also vulnerable. The situations is of course VERY different compared to a plane - and there are also other completely different scenarios than the attack on the Seabourn ships.

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quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
... but ALL the terrorists on 9/11 were Arab Muslims.
What about all the terrorists since then? Have they all been Arab Muslims?

Come on, it's time to get real.


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quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan:
But when i sail on a ship i feel a lot safer than i do flying in an airplane. Atleast i know if i ship got attacked we could all get off and into the boats where as on a plane its either gain back control or crash.
Unfortunately, feeling safe has got little to do with being safe.

On 10 September 2001 we all felt perfectly safe, even if we were flying. On 12 September 2001 we were all feeling very insecure and anxious, whatever we were doing. Yet it is certain that on 12 September we were in fact safer than we had been two days earlier.

It is not difficult to imagine a type of attack on a cruise ship which could kill or seriously injure a large proportion of the people on board. And after which the ship might simply be isolated and not allowed to dock or unload. Just because terrorists crash aircraft, it doesn't mean that they'd attack a ship by crashing it.

That sort of thinking is simply fighting the last battle, not anticipating the next one.


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quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
What about all the terrorists since then? Have they all been Arab Muslims?

Come on, it's time to get real.


The vast majority still are. A sad fact.


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quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
What about all the terrorists since then? Have they all been Arab Muslims?


I hear the next wave will be big blonde amazon Swedes in bikinis.


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quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy: The vast majority still are. A sad fact.
I'm still kinda perplexed about who needs to 'get real'...

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