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joe at travelpage
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posted 10-09-2006 06:41 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From Celebrity:


After canceling an advertisement that offended many Hawaiians and acknowledging its poor judgment in running it, Celebrity Cruises today accepted an offer from the Hawaii Visitors and Convention Bureau (HVCB) to provide cultural training for its marketing staff.

In a letter sent to the company over the weekend, HVCB President and CEO John Monahan said, "It's likely that this advertisement may have been created and approved by Celebrity Cruises due to a lack of understanding of Hawaii's society, history and traditions. If so, HVCB will be pleased to make arrangements to help educate your marketing staff about our islands."

HVCB has put Celebrity in contact with the Native Hawaiian Hospitality Association to provide cultural values and awareness training.

Dan Hanrahan, Celebrity Cruises president, reiterated the company's regret over the insensitivity of the company's ads, which depicted the King Kamehameha statue holding a champagne glass.

"We are deeply sorry that our ads offended so many people," Hanrahan said. "It was certainly never our intention to be disrespectful to the people of Hawaii, and we sincerely regret any concerns that were raised by our indiscretion."

Celebrity announced it will publish ads in two of Hawaii's major newspapers this week to make its apology to the Hawaiian people more public.

The original ads, which Celebrity immediately pulled after learning of their unintended effect, had appeared recently in several travel-agent publications.

Joe at TravelPage.com


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-09-2006 07:03 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I also have little understanding of Hawaii's society, history and traditions. Who is King Kamehameha?
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posted 10-09-2006 07:43 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow Celebrity is sailing on rough seas. First it was the press release, now the ad....
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posted 10-09-2006 08:08 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm, if as a Brit you were offended by Not the Nine O'Clock news, you may be offended as a native Hawaiian of this ad.. [pictures of which are all over the net].

Pam


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joe at travelpage
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posted 10-09-2006 09:40 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's what the ad looked like:


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posted 10-10-2006 10:41 AM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm,
FYI,
www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/aa/kamehameh

Frosty 4


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-10-2006 10:52 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ah, thanks for the info. So I assume that he was a Teetotaller?
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-10-2006 11:49 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here in the States the only safe target to poke fun at is the white American male. Everyone else is off limits.
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Tom Burke
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posted 10-10-2006 11:50 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This sort of sensitivity always astonishes me. But there again I'm someone who's from one of the dominant cultures on the planet (as are most of us here). I suppose that for native Hawaiians, or indeed anyone whose culture is under serious threat, this sort of thing is taken more seriously - everything must be vigorously defended.

I'm just wondering if there is any figure in British history who we'd get upset about if they were shown with a drink in their hand: Churchill?, no, too life-like; The Queen? - not really, we'd all grab a glass as well and drink her health; the Queen Mother? - definitely realistic!; Florence Nightingale? - now there's a woman who could have done with a drink; Queen Victoria? - with all those children she must have had more than an occasional tipple? Nelson? - the Royal Navy has always drunk itself silly, it's one of the 'traditions of the service'; Tony Blair? - nah, that one isn't believable....


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PamM
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posted 10-10-2006 01:05 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's why I mentioned Not the 9 o'clock news Tom.. somewhere in the series there are some not very flattering poses of QE, Charles etc and there are endless images of the Statue of Liberty holding various objects and in all sorts of poses about; I don't recall anyone getting upset and offended. I see nothing in that advert apart from a suggestion it may be nice to visit Hawaii and enjoy a drink [which doesn't have to be alcoholic or of any type in particular].. the fuss over it however, puts one off if people are to be so sensitive and one has to pussyfoot around being careful not to inadvertently upset anyone.

Pam


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posted 10-10-2006 02:39 PM      Profile for mec1   Author's Homepage   Email mec1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good grief - the Hawaiians clearly aren't blessed with a sense of humour are they...
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-10-2006 02:41 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This story is nothing new:

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posted 10-10-2006 03:57 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mec1:
Good grief - the Hawaiians clearly aren't blessed with a sense of humour are they...

I guess they have to much time on their hands living in paradise.

Hawaii is a very special place though some have a love/hate relationship w/the mainland. In some ways it is like living on the mainland w/a crowded freeway (in Honolulu at least), high rise apartments, lovely prewar neighborhoods that are copies of older L.A. and San Francisco neighborhoods right down to the Spanish revival, Craftsman etc. architecture. Another way the two are joined is that much of the sand on the famous Waikiki Beach was actually transported from Santa Monica, California on barges before the war to cover the rocks! The islands are an amazing destination w/the best sites off the main tourist routes.


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posted 10-10-2006 07:51 PM      Profile for Sailing Jon   Email Sailing Jon   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Another way the two are joined is that much of the sand on the famous Waikiki Beach was actually transported from Santa Monica, California on barges before the war to cover the rocks!"

First time poster but long time lurker. Ironically, they still import much of their sand from San Diego with numerous barges per year going out.

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Welcome Sailing Jon, I knew that little sand 'factoid' would get some sort of comment.
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posted 10-10-2006 10:29 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by joe at travelpage:
Here's what the ad looked like:



I never got a chance to see the advert. Any chance it's still out there?


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posted 10-11-2006 10:16 AM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You NEVER say "Back in the States"when refering to the mainland while in Hawaii. They are a state #50!! With NCL now offering cruises there it is a great area to visit. Kauii is my favorite island. It has so much to offer. Fern Grotto, Waimhea Canyon,Princeville,wettest place on Earth with over 700 inches of rain/yr in the mountains ,very diverse climates and so on . A lot of movies are shot there eg. South Pacific,Raiders of the Lost Ark(river scene at the begining of the movie).
Oahu (Honolulu) is very crowded,the Polynesian Cultural Center is a great attraction.
There are a LOT of Japanese tourists there,not too many in one place however--Pearl Harbor!!
If you do decide to visit, the Macadamia nut farm on the Big Island is a treat-Yummy!
Be aware some cruise lines use Hawaii as a transition between the Carribean and Alaska-Spring and Fall.
This may be alright for those who like 4-5 days at sea when leaving from Ensenada or Vancouver during the transition.
I recommend the flight up and back(IMHO) as the days at sea are usually cold and windy.
Frosty 4

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I gew up in Hawaii and the native Hawaiians are always getting upset by something.... I don't find the ad offensive.... Then again, to most people around here, the cruise industry can *never* do anything wrong.... P.S. Have never heard the bit about the sand...would like some proof....now THAT I find more insulting....

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quote:
Originally posted by CGT:
P.S. Have never heard the bit about the sand...would like some proof....now THAT I find more insulting....

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If you look at the islands untouched beaches many are volcanic rock or ground down volcanic rock or black sand. The big Islands are nearly all rock except for the ones remade w/sand brought from other areas (California). My dad told me about it years ago after he saw huge barges lined up w/sand in Honolulu in the 1950s. The sand was being used to 'build' beaches for new resorts then under construction. Many years later a Hawaiian man I met explained the process to me while I was on vacation on Maui in the 1980s. There are a few beached such as Makena on Maui that have pure white sand but that apparently is not common to the islands.


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posted 10-11-2006 05:16 PM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This just adds to the many reasons why I could care less about going to Hawaii,....

Perhaps all the whiners should raise two or three glasses of bubbly,.....it might just relax 'em a bit.

-Russ


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quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy: If you look at the islands untouched beaches many are volcanic rock or ground down volcanic rock or black sand. The big Islands are nearly all rock except for the ones remade w/sand brought from other areas (California). My dad told me about it years ago after he saw huge barges lined up w/sand in Honolulu in the 1950s. The sand was being used to 'build' beaches for new resorts then under construction. Many years later a Hawaiian man I met explained the process to me while I was on vacation on Maui in the 1980s. There are a few beached such as Makena on Maui that have pure white sand but that apparently is not common to the islands.
Sorry lasuvidaboy, but " If you look at the islands untouched beaches many are volcanic rock or ground down volcanic rock or black sand." is patently false. With the exception of the famed Black Sand Beaches on the island of Hawai'i (known as "The Big Island") the natural sand color of the Hawaiian islands is beige/white.

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posted 10-11-2006 09:13 PM      Profile for timb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by linerguy:
This just adds to the many reasons why I could care less about going to Hawaii,....

Perhaps all the whiners should raise two or three glasses of bubbly,.....it might just relax 'em a bit.

-Russ



There was a time when I thought it would be nice to visit but it wasn't my first choice of somewhere to go but I had no clue. My company sent my wife and I on an all expense paid trip to the big island for a week and all I can say is until you have been there and experienced it there is no way to know what you are missing. The different climates and scenery you experience just driving from one side of the island to the other is sureal. Well worth a trip in my opinion ship or not


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posted 10-13-2006 09:40 AM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Timb:

I'm sure Hawaii is fantastic. Truth is, I'm not all that into tropical destinations and the Polynesian culture and reported feel of Hawaii simply leaves me cold. I'd rather romp around some castle in Ireland or go back to Versailles.

Like I said, it's just not my cup o' tea. Perhaps someday I'll go and come back with a different outlook,...but there's about a hundred places I'd rather see first.

-Russ


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posted 10-13-2006 09:58 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I may put on my geologist's hat for a second. The Hawaian islands are all volcanic. Therefore their entire "sandscape," so to speak,is made up either of ground up volcanic rock, caused by wave action; volcanic ash directly ejected into the air, or washed to the coats by rains and the a few small rivers. Add to that, coral sands, from a few fringing and a barrier reefs. And that is it!

Unlike the atols around and about, Hawaii, as a whole, has a significant sand deficit. I would not be surprised in the slightest if it was necessary to import sands to resorts where beaches are sand-deficient.

There is one sure way to tell. The contents of sands are a signature of origin. During World War II, I know of a geologist, now long deceased, who was able to determine the location from which Japanese balloon bombs, were launched on the prevailing westerly winds toward the United States. He analyzed the sand in their ballast pouches, and determined where in Japan, that particular mix of sand particles and associated minerals could be found. The site was subsequently bombed, and the attacks ceased.

He is no longer available to analyze the sands of Waikiki but others are probably available. The truth will then out!


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posted 10-13-2006 10:32 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great Story Cambodge,

I was in Hawaii for 2.5 weeks in 1993. Honolulu is Miami Beach with a 10 hour longer flight from the East Coast. Oahu further away is far more interesting. On a gallery visit in Haleiwa[sp] I saw a painting I liked and asked about it the woman replied "That is from an artist from GreeenWitch Village, New York. I did NOT correct her pronunciation.

The other islands are far more interesting. Kauai is beautiful with rain forests, frontier architecture and the Napali coast.

Maui is a tourist trap but the drive up to the 10,000' elevation Haleakela crater is magnifico and looks like the moon.

The Big Island is my favorite with the black sand beaches. It was great to have lunch at Kiluea Culdera and watch lava flow out. The Island has 12 of the world's 13 climate zones including snow at Mouna Kea. Everywhere you drive the scenery and fauna change every 10 miles. Hilo is a charming frontier untouristed town. Kona is beautiful and looks Carribean. The north side of the island looks like rural Pennsylvania.

My advice is stay in Wakiki for one day and travel to the outer islands.

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