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Topic: 75year olds manhandle young woman on Mercury

topgun2
First Class Passenger
Member # 975

posted 01-02-2000 06:34 PM

It may have gotten lost in the shuffle, but a reply not related to the topic was posted elsewhere on this forum. It was claimed that on the Mercury a young lady was attacked by persons over 75 years in age. It was also claimed that blood was drawn. This apparently took place two weeks ago. It sounds bizarre. Can anyone confirm this. Cruising seems to be getting dangerous

Posts: 26 | From: burlington,ont,can | Registered: Jan 2000 | IP: Logged

Green
First Class Passenger
Member # 171

posted 01-02-2000 06:56 PM

This is an item which could, unfortunately be blown out of all proportion - the post appears in 'No Kids on Board. Would You Cruise?'. No real details are given. If the lady in question did not lodge a formal complaint, I think onlookers should remain silent.
Anyone who has cruised has met up with rude people - they may be 75+ but it's not necessarily so.
Let's be sure of our facts before we go to press.
An example, I heard on Thursday, Dec. 30'99 that Shirley MacLean (the actress) was on board the hijacked Air India flight - the actual passenger was a lady from Winnipeg with a similar name!

Posts: 2913 | From: Markham, Ontario, Canada | Registered: Jul 99 | IP: Logged

topgun2
First Class Passenger
Member # 975

posted 01-02-2000 07:53 PM

Point well made and accepted. Have tried to cancel topic and unable to do so.Will the administrator pls delete this

Posts: 26 | From: burlington,ont,can | Registered: Jan 2000 | IP: Logged

Tasha
First Class Passenger
Member # 948

posted 01-02-2000 08:26 PM

This is perfectly true, this woman had had a Hysterectomy and when she was pushed out of the elevator she fell and started to bleed badly. This was not the only comment made, I was pushed twice for no reason at all. There were a lot of people complaining about about the awful manners on board.

Posts: 18 | From: Whitby, Ontario, Canada | Registered: Dec 1999 | IP: Logged

CTrail
First Class Passenger
Member # 64

posted 01-03-2000 08:55 AM

Topgun2, you really distorted the facts from the post. It did not say anything like that and it was on the topic of "No kids on board, would you cruise" three posts before yours.

Haveagoodone:-)

[This message has been edited by CTrail (edited 01-03-2000).]

Posts: 332 | From: Kitchener, ON Canada | Registered: Apr 99 | IP: Logged

John Blake
Just Boarded
Member # 978

posted 01-03-2000 03:52 PM

You really are rather a tetchy lot arn't you.Tasha said she had problems with elderly people on the Mercury, I was on that cruise too, I have never met so many rude ill mannered people as I did on that cruise. They pushed and shoved, never said pardon. I believe there were a lot of elderly Florida residents that got the cruise cheap. Don't automatically assume someone is making something up.

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Green
First Class Passenger
Member # 171

posted 01-03-2000 05:14 PM

Hi John Blake - perhaps we are a bit tetchy! It is not usual!
In the circumstances described I would have enquired at the Front Desk or whatever it's called on that ship, if the Seniors were in a group. If the answer was 'Yes' I would have suggested that it's leader be told of the comments and complaints of other passengers. I don't believe any group wants to be labeled 'disruptive'. I've heard that cruise Lines can be very selective when it comes to Groups. If they were travelling as individuals, apart from showing your displeasure of their behaviour, there's not much you can do unless you wish to sink to their level of bad manners.
Stay on board and enjoy our informative and fun exchanges!

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WJCdiver
First Class Passenger
Member # 946

posted 01-05-2000 06:53 PM

When elderly passenger are rude and aggressive it can spoil the entire cruise for everyone.

Obvioulsy its their parents fault. The just didn't teach them good manners. They need to learn to make them behave.

Franky with all the drinking going on - who knows what the elderly will overhear. Some of the conversation I have overheard is clearly inappropriate for someone of that tender age.

Would anyone consider taking a cruise that does'nt allow anyone over 65?

Posts: 159 | From: New York, NY | Registered: Dec 1999 | IP: Logged

Phil
First Class Passenger
Member # 983

posted 01-05-2000 07:07 PM

I honestly don't find the subject funny, I have experienced the problem of being pushed around without an apology from elderly passengers (not all by any means) but they seem to be a certain type. I am not the only one on other sites I have read about the same problems. Manners have nothing to do with age they should be something we all have.

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geno-r
First Class Passenger
Member # 931

posted 01-05-2000 09:48 PM

WJC, pretty funny! Maybe if we're on a cruise together someday we can have a drink at the bar and overhear some of those conversations

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sympatico
First Class Passenger
Member # 797

posted 01-05-2000 10:43 PM

Hey guys - WJCdiver and Geno-r - I'm over 65, let's make that over 75 or 80!
That was pretty funny.

Posts: 3305 | From: Toronto, Ont. Canada | Registered: Jul 99 | IP: Logged

Phil
First Class Passenger
Member # 983

posted 01-05-2000 11:33 PM

I really feel if you find that funny, bad behavour I mean, you have to be a little sick. This is the problem these days no one seems to care about anybody else. You thinking it funny makes you no better.

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MagnmPI
First Class Passenger
Member # 299

posted 01-06-2000 03:07 AM

I think we are all in agreement that bad behavior perpetrated by anyone of any age is not acceptable. Phil I understand that you have been victimized by the 65 and up crowd. Were you on the Mercury also? Your opinion is appreciated and noted. I have yet to see such a thing but am anxious to hear from others who have.

That said, I thought WJCdiver's satirical post to be timely and humorous.

[This message has been edited by MagnmPI (edited 01-06-2000).]

Posts: 545 | From: San Francisco Bay Area | Registered: Aug 99 | IP: Logged

Phil
First Class Passenger
Member # 983

posted 01-06-2000 12:08 PM

No we had that problem on the Sovereign of the Seas a week before Christmas. Could it be they are selling that week of a cheaply as possible.

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asoowal
First Class Passenger
Member # 485

posted 01-13-2000 07:01 PM

Theese were obviously Carnival Cruisers that moved UP in the world...lol

Posts: 68 | From: Plymouth Meeting, PA, USA | Registered: Feb 99 | IP: Logged

CTrail
First Class Passenger
Member # 64

posted 01-14-2000 07:40 AM

Asoowal, that reply sounds like you only thought it through with the first two letters of your username. Don't start throwing stuff like that around or it could go full circle and the term snob will come back to bite you on your butt.

haveagoodday:-)

Posts: 332 | From: Kitchener, ON Canada | Registered: Apr 99 | IP: Logged

Mercy
First Class Passenger
Member # 322

posted 01-14-2000 10:16 AM

I have experienced RUDE behavior on all my cruises! From all ages including the cruise staff. You just can't let it ruin your cruise. Ignore it, and don't get into a yelling match with anyone. I have been on the Mercury twice. The staff were fantastic. Some passengers were rude. There was a group of Japanese cruising together. I was standing in line at the buffet. A Japanese older man actually physically pushed me aside and they all crowded in front of me! Everyone around us was appalled. I just smiled and said "they must be really hungry" I felt like thumping the little guy on the head, but hey, we are on vacation. I don't however have the same attitude about the cruise staff. It really makes me mad when they are outright rude to you.I saw several bus boys making fun of the passengers on the Elation. I asked one about it and he said they make jokes , so they won't kill themselves, because they are so unhappy with their jobs! That makes for a nice attitude.

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Posts: 697 | From: Stanwood, Wa. USA | Registered: Sep 99 | IP: Logged

Ascendancy
First Class Passenger
Member # 840

posted 01-14-2000 03:02 PM

People are rude everywhere. And it doesn't matter how old or young. I try not to let them get to me while on vacation. Keep in mind while on a cruise ship, especially the older folks, their equilibrium maybe a little off. What you may think of as a push or shove may have prevented them from falling on their keyster.

Posts: 354 | From: Aurora, CO | Registered: Oct 1999 | IP: Logged

VOYAGER
First Class Passenger
Member # 1016

posted 01-16-2000 10:50 PM

Hi all! Diversity seems to be an issue here! I guess we have to keep in mind that American culture can differ vastly from cultures abroad! On each and every cruise line, the staff is mostly international. Imagine that they can say and do things that would be considered "rude" or "inappropriate" in our culture, but they wouldn't think of it as such from their point of view. Same goes for the elderly ladies and gentleman. Keep in mind that there is also a diversity issue even between generations and we just need to learn to overcome it!

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Gordy
First Class Passenger
Member # 1018

posted 01-17-2000 12:43 AM

I've traveled the world pretty much, and I can honestly say that cultural differences do not excuse rudeness. In no society is pushing, hitting or touching for that matter excused as normal behavior. Numerous times I read the comment "try not to let it bother me." Good luck! Chances are you'll be looking for any excuse to complain about rudeness for the rest of the trip, and you'll develop a stereotypical distaste for anyone resembling the perpetrator.
First: Pushing, hitting, shoving are all assault.
Second: Anything you find personally offensive such as yelling in your face, spitting or spewing while yelling are all battery.
Both the above justify self defense. Do us all and yourself a favor and pop that individual. It will make you feel better and might discourage the idiot from doing it to me.
I'm going on a cruise soon and believe me, if anyone behaves as the above testimonials describe, there will be some pain involved, I don't care how old they are. Respect is not automatic due to age, it's earned.

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MagnmPI
First Class Passenger
Member # 299

posted 01-18-2000 03:54 PM

Wow...be careful. What you call self defense may be just retribution. You would still need to determine that person's intent(whether or not they intended to harm you)to be justified in self defense. If you push back just because you were pushed that would make you no better than the other guy. And you would also be perpetuating behavior that you already despise.

Consider detaining the person and calling a crew member. Otherwise run the risk of sitting in a cabin that only locks from the outside.

For the record..."Pushing, hitting, shoving" is battery not assault. And..."Anything you find personally offensive such as yelling in your face, spitting or spewing while yelling(as long as the spit doesn't land on your face)..." is assault not battery.

Posts: 545 | From: San Francisco Bay Area | Registered: Aug 99 | IP: Logged

Gordy
First Class Passenger
Member # 1018

posted 01-19-2000 01:28 AM

Thanks for the correction PI. I'll make sure and correct my attorney and the Snohomish County Court Judge who ruled otherwise.

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Mercy
First Class Passenger
Member # 322

posted 01-19-2000 08:35 AM

Gordy... Hi! I'm from Snohomish County
If you havn't read Magnum PI's profile, he is a police officer and should know something about it?

Posts: 697 | From: Stanwood, Wa. USA | Registered: Sep 99 | IP: Logged

Gordy
First Class Passenger
Member # 1018

posted 01-19-2000 10:48 PM

So far I've only been able to get hold of my attorney to correct him. (He didn't like it) Next time I see the Judge I'll make sure and let him know too.

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