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dmwnc1
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posted 07-28-2010 10:31 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mike Furgatch, the Yard Manager at Esco Marine, Inc. in Brownsville, TX sent me these pictures he took this week of these two historic ships awaiting their final dismantling:

USNS General Edwin D. Patrick and USNS John Pope

Here are the links back to the threads of webcam grabs I got of their final departures from San Francisco being towed to the Panama Canal, and transits through the canal:

USNS General Edwin D. Patrick towed from San Francisco
http://www.travelserver.net/travelpage/ubb-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=16&t=000468

USNS GENERAL JOHN POPE towed from San Francisco
http://www.travelserver.net/travelpage/ubb-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=16&t=000473

USNS General Edwin D. Patrick in Panama Canal
http://www.travelserver.net/travelpage/ubb-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=16&t=000476

USNS GENERAL JOHN POPE in the Panama Canal
http://www.travelserver.net/travelpage/ubb-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=16&t=000483


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posted 10-15-2010 10:15 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
These amazing pictures of the USNS General Edwin D. Patrick received yesterday courtesy of Mike Furgatch, the Yard Manager at Esco Marine, Inc. in Brownsville. Mr. Furgatch also indicated that the USNS John Pope "is still in abatement. No iron has been removed".

Final departure from San Francisco as it was covered in Maritime Matters:

http://maritimematters.com/2010/05/pursuing-the-usns-general-edwin-d-patrick/

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-15-2010 01:16 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great pics. It's ashame that she could not have been saved for another use.
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posted 10-16-2010 10:55 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Great pics. It's ashame that she could not have been saved for another use.

Indeed. I think the POPE was the better looking of the two. She will go next. Not surprised how quickly the PATRICK has been taken apart.


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LeBarryboat
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posted 10-16-2010 10:23 PM      Profile for LeBarryboat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Looks like this ship is being dismantled far more civilized and organized than the ships in Alang.
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Brian_O
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posted 10-17-2010 12:53 AM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
These two ships were similar but of different classes.

The General John Pope was a P2-S2-R2 class ship of approx. 17,800 GRT powered by geared turbines developing 18,700 SHP. Twin screw with a speed of 20 kn and accomodation for 5,200 troops. It was 622 feet long with a beam of 75.5 feet.

Two other ships of this class are noteworthy.

The General George M. Randall was the ship that transported Pvt Elvis Presley to Germany in 1958. He returned to the US to be discharged air in March 1960 by air. The Randall was broken up in 1975.

The General W.P. Richardson had a long post-war career as a pasenger ship staring in 1949 as the La Guardia (American Export Lines). It later became the Leilani (Hawaiian SS Co.), President Roosevelt (American Presidents Line), Atlantis (Chandris) and Emerald Seas (Eastern Steamship Lines), It was once said of this ship that it had changed names more often than some people change their socks.

The General Edwin D. Patrick was one of the slightly smaller P2-SE2-R1 class and originally carried the name Admiral C.F. Hughes. These ships were 13 feet shorter and were approx. 17,100 GRT. They were Turbo-electric (18,000 SHP), twin-screwed with a speed of 19 kn. They carried 4,680 troops. All of the ships of this class were originally named after Admirals but were renamed after Generals in 1947.


Source: Kludas, "Great Passenger Ships of the World" Vol 4.

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quote:
Originally posted by Brian_O:
The General W.P. Richardson had a long post-war career as a pasenger ship staring in 1949 as the La Guardia (American Export Lines). It later became the Leilani (Hawaiian SS Co.), President Roosevelt (American Presidents Line), Atlantis (Chandris) and Emerald Seas (Eastern Steamship Lines).

I remember seeing the Emerald Seas not only in Miami and Nassau but on one occasion in dry dock in Newport News, Virginia (it was in late 1977 or early 1978 I believe). I happened to get aboard her on a Sunday morning and it was rather ghostly how abandoned and empty she felt. I got a couple of pictures of her on the keel blocks in the emptied dry dock and will always remember how impressive and strong she looked sitting there.


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posted 01-07-2011 01:03 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just got off the phone with the Yard Manager at ESCO Marine and he told me that the dismantling of the POPE is well underway and promised to send pictures as soon as possible, which I will post as soon as I get them.
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posted 01-07-2011 02:48 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Excuse my ignorance but are these "Liberty ships"?
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quote:
Originally posted by Frosty 4:
Excuse my ignorance but are these "Liberty ships"?
F4

Troop Transports...

From Wikipedia:

USS General John Pope (AP-110) was a troop transport that served with the United States Navy in World War II. After the war she was transferred to the Army and redesignated USAT General John Pope. She later served in the Korean and Vietnam Wars as a civilian-manned Military Sea Transportation Service vessel, as USNS General John Pope (T-AP-110).

General John Pope was launched under a Maritime Commission contract 21 March 1943 by the Federal Shipbuilding and Dry Dock Company of Kearny, New Jersey; acquired by the Navy 2 July 1943; placed in ferry commission the same day for transfer to Baltimore for conversion to a transport by Maryland Drydock Company, and commissioned in full 5 August 1943, Captain George D. Lyon in command.

More here on the POPE:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/22/22110.htm


On the PATRICK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_General_Edwin_D._Patrick

and here
http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/22/22124.htm

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posted 01-23-2011 05:28 AM      Profile for docfl   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have a link to a site that has general arrangement plans for this ship on my site. Click on the picture of the ship to download a pdf file of the plans.
http://sticefamily.net/USS_John_Pope_AP_110.aspx

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