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Rex
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posted 08-04-2007 02:42 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is it feasible at all?

The first thing that came to mind was the Magradome roof on some ships - could they be used to harness the sun, or is there another way???

Or is Rex just getting crazy now that he's 40???

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Ernst
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posted 08-04-2007 03:00 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let me put it into context: The solar radiation on a clear day is some 700 - 900 W per square meter on the earth surface - cruise ships have a power consumption of several ten MW....

I doubt that it would make any sense. (beside publicity) Photovoltaic elements have an efficiency of about 10 % and it takes a lot of energy to make them - at best a negligible contribution to the electricity consumption of the ship - and warm water (and heat in general) is available form the excess heat from the engines.

There are better ways to safe energy on a cruise ship.

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AleksNorway
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posted 08-04-2007 04:29 PM      Profile for AleksNorway   Email AleksNorway      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.tu.no/samferdsel/article107739.ece?service=image&start=2

The hybridferry in Sydney, saves 7 million $ in fuel in 15 years.
This design is supposed to be tested on different and llarger ships...

http://www.solarsailor.com/index.htm

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Ernst
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posted 08-04-2007 06:33 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by AleksNorway:
http://www.tu.no/samferdsel/article107739.ece?service=image&start=2

The hybridferry in Sydney, saves 7 million $ in fuel in 15 years.
This design is supposed to be tested on different and llarger ships...

http://www.solarsailor.com/index.htm


This are all very interesting concepts - but they have nothing in common with nowadays conventional cruise ships. Solar power can only contribute a tiny fraction to the energy consumption of such a cruise ship. (do the math)

It is nevertheless worth to look at aternative cruise concepts where the use of solar power might actually make sense. (And do not forget the most prominent use of solar power on ships: sails)

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posted 08-07-2007 09:30 AM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It was just a thought.
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posted 08-07-2007 09:48 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nothing wrong with using solar power - there might be the one or the other "niche" even aboard cruise ships - one still has to be careful not to make it worse - e.g. it takes a lot of energy to make photovoltaic elements (which is why I prefer applications like heating water etc.) - this has to be considered - but it will not be a significant contribution to enormous power consumption of a contemporary (conventional) cruise ship.

BTW - Happy Birthday.

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posted 08-15-2007 01:03 AM      Profile for 6263866   Email 6263866   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ive been wondering about that for years, it would not be wise to cover all outer decks with solar panels, not a wise choice for apperance. But inplaces like covering the large radar domes, or high in the funnel, but it would be to costly to maintain and install for the little power it would provide, I don't know any other thoughts?
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posted 08-15-2007 05:07 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There would be an uproar if you replaced every deck chair with a sloar pannel. Even then I doubt if it would not generate enough electricity to power a Carnival ships neon signs!

How about a Nuclear cruise ship? When you got home from vacation you might even glow in the dark?


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posted 08-15-2007 06:06 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
There would be an uproar if you replaced every deck chair with a sloar pannel. Even then I doubt if it would not generate enough electricity to power a Carnival ships neon signs!

How about a Nuclear cruise ship? When you got home from vacation you might even glow in the dark?


Malcome a solution fore every problem
Glowing in the dark cruises.

Actually neon lights are quite low on energy uses. So that must not be a problem.
Maybe they can shut down the lights at night at lounges that not used as theater, cinema, dinning rooms etc.

Greetings Ben.


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posted 08-15-2007 06:12 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
When you got home from vacation you might even glow in the dark?

Especially if you have been indulging in that Dungeness Crab

Pam


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Rex
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posted 08-15-2007 08:04 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I mean, not even doing something like putting solar panels over something like the observation lounge, allowing that public room to operate off of solar power??? That would not work either??? I'm so concerned about the environment.
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Ernst
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posted 08-15-2007 08:25 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Solar panles would of course work - but whereas it is true that every tiny contribution couts one has to keep things in perspective. (and take care that not more damage is done)
The engery consumption of the air condition for an observation lounge can be enourmous compared to what one could gain with photovoltaic elements under optimum conditions. (e.g. having them embedded in the windows) In this context it is probably more efficient (solar panels are not for free) to insulate the room, use proper shades etc.

Also, keep in mind that photovoltaics is not the only way to take advante of the radiation from the sun. Giving that it costs a lot of energy and resources to get photovoltaic elemtents (and it takes many, many, many years until a photovoltaic element has safed more energy than it 'cost' to make it) other applications like heating water (not necessary aboard a ship as heat from the engines is avaiable) are often more attractive - and as said, there is actually a prominent, well know techique for ships to take advantage of the energy coming from the sun - sailing ships.


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There are alot of places where a ship could place solar panels, but not one area where a bunch of them could be placed, they would have to be place throughout the area of the ship, I think the main problem is how to blend in a large flat area of metalic blue onto a ship, it would certainly not make it look good.
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posted 08-23-2007 09:48 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ernst, our resident technical guy, to whom I yield in such matters, did not mention another disadvantageous matter in photovoltaic solar applications - ships tend to wiggle around a lot.

Photovoltaic installations are not only fixed, they are carefully aligned to maximize the solar impact. (OK I know, there are test and competition cars w/ solar panels on their roofs, but by and large they get most of their charge when they are stopped. I am thinking of a solar power plant in which I was once involved, back in the early days of Federal energy acitivity. Bazillions of square feet of mirrors and panels, were all carefully aimed at a boiler.

Even a large ship would have to not only have literally acres of panels, they would have to be optimally positioned in reference fo the jolly old sun.

Ain't gonna happen.


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Ernst
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posted 08-23-2007 09:53 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
....and don't forget the salt water spray - the panels would have to be clean to be mildly efficient. There are certainly applications for photovoltaics - but I do not see it happening on a big scale aboard nowadays cruise ships in the near future - it would be far too complicated for what it could contribute aboard a ship - to safe energy on a ship the same resources are presently better spent on other things.
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