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Originally posted by Globaliser:
In the current (northern winter) timetable, there are about 26 non-stop scheduled flights from New York area airports to London area airports each day. Only 4 of these are day flights. No airline operates more than one day flight from any New York airport.

As far as I know, there are no other North American points that currently offer any day flights to London.

If you want Far East routes on which to compare the prices of daytime and evening departures, try London-Hong Kong. This currently supports 1½ daytime depatures out of 8½ daily non-stop flights. Again, the daytime departures are usually cheaper. Sometimes you get special offers which are valid only on the daytime departures, which is another indicator of what sells and what doesn't.

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We are talking about the flights between New York and London, If the daytime departures are cheaper, give me an example with Fares and Flights details.

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Originally posted by Globaliser:
This is advertising. It's untrue. A regular business class traveller on BA or VS would be very disappointed with the Maxjet product as a product. It's undoubtedly much cheaper, and these pax might conclude that the product is good value - but the Maxjet product most assuredly does not provide what you'd expect in a full-service airline's business class.

That's why it's much more accurate to regard Maxjet as a product aimed at those trading up from premium economy.

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They are selling business class fare much cheaper than BA or VS.
Maxjet's one-way fares start at a delightfully low $679 and top out at a walk-up price of $1,979. (The walk-up business-class fare on Virgin for the next day is almost $4,500 one-way.)

I think MAXjet are looking ahead another US Carriers when UA installed the lie-flat beds MAXjet might be followed.

What is the difference between MAXjet vs another US Carriers ?

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Originally posted by Ocean Liners:
They are selling business class fare much cheaper than BA or VS.

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"Another day, another swanky flight. MAXjet is a different proposition. Its owners are taking on traditional airlines’ premium economy sections, not the top business seats. It has 100 comfortable blue leather seats on its Boeing 767. And it beats eos hands down for value; if not for ridiculous luxury. The MAXjet lounge is better than eos’s though — bigger, with sweeping views of all those horrible easyJets and Ryanairs."

OceanLiners, the only US Carrier that ever seems to get praise for business class transatlantic is Continental. How it compares I don't know myself. Skytrax are always good enough for airline rankings, at least they are global and survey over 12m people, rather than a handful. But of course we will all disagree on such results

Nonstop flights from $4,341.00

Flight for Tue., Nov. 29, 2005:

Depart:
6:50 p.m.
New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty)
Arrive:
6:40 a.m. +1 Day
London, England (LGW - Gatwick)
Travel Time:
6 hr 50 mn
Flight: CO18
Aircraft: Boeing 777-200ER
Fare Class: BusinessFirst (J)

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John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK1)

Lounge elegance and convenience are paramount for MAXjet passengers departing from New York. Terminal One houses MAXjet's departure lounge and is one of the closest available to MAXjet's departure gates. The lounge offers a business center as well as free Wi-Fi, shower facilities, complimentary drinks and snacks, and fine amenities.

London Stansted Airport (STN1)

MAXjet is in the process of building London Stansted Airport's first business class lounge. Designed to comply with MAXjet's high standards, it will be ready for customers in late 2005. Until the lounge is completed, MAXjet passengers will receive lounge refreshments and amenities while waiting in the MAXjet departure gate area.

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Originally posted by bulbousbow:
Ocean Liners, no offence, but why not post this topic in Rail Talk?

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Bulbousbow, you have to post similar thread here

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Originally posted by Ocean Liners:
If MAXjet proejct succeed, I believe BA or VS would offer discounted business class ticket (or much cheaper than current discounted price) to the US market.

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Eos founder and chief executive David Spurlock says "we don't describe ourselves as a first-class or a business-class airline," but it is clear that Eos is selling international first-class travel at business-class fares. It has also adopted the fare code R ? the letter once used to flag Concorde service ? as its computerized identity.

The introductory price for tickets purchased through Jan. 3 is $5,000 round trip. The Eos walk-up fare is $6,500 round trip, which is less than half the unrestricted first-class rate between New York and London and almost exactly the seven-day advance purchase price that British Airways introduced for its business-class seats.

Maxjet use Boeing 767s configured with 102 seats. The chairs offer 60 inches of legroom. That's industry standard for international business class, but BA and Virgin both offer lie-flat beds in their business classes between the United States and Britain. Maxjet is also promising business-class meals, snacks, airport lounges and other perks.

Gary Rogliano expected market: New York-London business travelers who have been priced out of business class by BA, Virgin and the U.S. carriers who ply the route; "affluent economy customers" who will pay a little more to get a lot more; and fliers whose companies are relocating to areas near Stansted.

For starters, one-class luxury airlines have had a dreary history. (Regent Air, MGM Grand, McClain and Air 1 all failed.) Flights to Stansted from New York have failed before, too. (American and Continental both abandoned the route over the years.) New York-London travelers loyal to U.S. flag airlines might not be willing to give up their lavish frequent-flier program perks and miles. Customers loyal to British Airways and Virgin Atlantic have in-flight service of roughly similar quality (albeit at much higher prices) and receive the benefit of BA's and Virgin's more-frequent flights. (BA flies seven times daily between JFK and London/Heathrow.) Then there are the prevailing market conditions: Fuel costs are astronomical; overseas travel in general is slipping; the New York-London route is already overcrowded; and the first and fourth quarters of the year are traditionally miserable for the airlines.

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Originally posted by Ocean Liners:
I thought EOS is selecting a chiken while MAXjet is an egg, Eos Airlines bills itself as a premium-class airline for business travelers who need and want extra-special treatment and are willing to pay for it. Maxjet Airways is trying to bring low fares to business class.

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What you get from Eos is not "extra-special". It's now normal for business class.

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Advantage, MaxJet?

Which is why we think MaxJet's business plan is a better bet and why we think a clear distinction can be made between it and EOS. MaxJet is a business-class low cost carrier. It's trying to do to the trans Atlantic business class market what Southwest did to the domestic US market -- offer only those things that the most people value at a much lower price and thereby expand the marketplace to include people who didn't use this product before. MaxJet is premium, but it's not superluxury.

MaxJet seats aren't lie flat, they're maybe a generation behind. The meals are designed to be tasty and filling but not supergourmet. It's "premium utility" not "boutique". The customers are designed to be those who don't have access to corporate deals and would otherwise fly in economy or premium economy. They're not there for the Kobe beef, they just want more room for their laptop and to arrive in better shape for their business meeting. The flag carriers potentially have a much bigger problem with competing with MaxJet because it's based on low costs and expanding the market to those not served, not a higher touch offering to the existing corporate market. ...

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