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Olsen Dk
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posted 04-30-2012 09:23 AM      Profile for Olsen Dk   Email Olsen Dk   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if it gets built??, and perhaps more what the price is for a cabin on the maiden voyage will cost?. is certainly that I would enjoy a cruise aboard the Titanic II

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 04-30-2012 10:48 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Trust me, it's a pipe dream.

By the time you had added all the modern safety features, lifeboats and modern accommodation (no steerage) etc., she would not be very much like the original Titanic.

I'm not even sure if the hull would perform to modern buoyancy standards. If that had to be re-designed, she would definitely look like a different ship - pointless.

Of course it would be so much cheaper (and probably more profitable) to build a modern cruise ship.

Anyway, the QM2 is the modern day Titanic!

[ 04-30-2012: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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Linerrich
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posted 04-30-2012 10:51 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Every few years we see a resurrection of this dream, which is merely grand-standing. The wealthy people who sponsor these projects didn't make their money from stupid investments. Rather than invest their own millions, they rely on money from other investors, and projects like this never work out.

Rich


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oslo dutch
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posted 04-30-2012 02:50 PM      Profile for oslo dutch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Very well put Malcolm!

Don't we get these plan every once in a while, to be never heard about....

I can remember reading about one plan about 10 years ago. This idiot wanted to do a 100 year remembrance crossing and lower the life boats mid ocean with passengers.....

It was on all the big news sites today


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Ernst
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posted 04-30-2012 03:12 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

[...]
Anyway, the QM2 is the modern day Titanic!


Exactly. It has been done, this niche is already 'occupied'. Most of these 'projects' are based on a contradiction: One can't rebuild Titanic compliant with nowadays standards - every concession to modern safety and shipbuilding standards as well as 'creature comforts' would be in contradiction to rebuilding her in original condition. If one thinks that through one finally ends up with a ship like QM2 or the Disney ships.


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desirod7
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posted 04-30-2012 07:51 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Trust me, it's a pipe dream.


Anyway, the QM2 is the modern day Titanic!

[ 04-30-2012: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


Actually the R-ship interiors are closet to the look of the Titanic of anything sailing today. Deutschland is second.


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posted 04-30-2012 09:00 PM      Profile for DEIx15x8   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I may be alone on this, but I think this is the first project that actually seems plausible. We've seen tons of projects trying to build a new Titanic but they all claim to want to build it exactly like the original. This one is coming strait out and saying that it will not be identical because it needs to meet modern safety standards. The other thing about it is that usually we here these announcement's attached to a group name along with a request for investors. None of these stories have mentioned any need for investors. This is not a group trying to build a Titanic replica, this is a wealthy man known for building luxury resorts who has signed a letter of intent for 4 ships to start a new cruise line with the Titanic II as the center piece. This is not some group's dream to sail the Titanic again, but the plan of a wealthy luxury resort organization making the move into a new industry and choosing to gain a jump start in the press by piggybacking on the Titanic name. The fact that they are planning 4 ships from the start really says something about the significance of the project beyond just the Titanic II.
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jeremya
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posted 04-30-2012 11:26 PM      Profile for jeremya   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Would you believe it if I told you that this story got billing on the main CTV National News tonight ???

I guess it is real. We'll see if it gets built now that he is making news all over the world.


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Brian_O
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posted 05-01-2012 12:14 AM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do they even build cruise ships as small as the Titanic any more?

Brian


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Ernst
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posted 05-01-2012 04:13 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Brian_O:
Do they even build cruise ships as small as the Titanic any more?

Brian


Of course! The new Seabourn and Silversea ships, Europa 2, or L'Austral and Le Boreal are all recently built reasonably sized vessels.


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quote:
Originally posted by jeremya:
Would you believe it if I told you that this story got billing on the main CTV National News tonight ???

This story has made TV news all over the world, both local and national newscasts. Much is being made of the fact that the new ship would sail on the exact route of the original TITANIC, as if that were some mysterious and unknown path which has never again been attempted!

Rich


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desirod7
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posted 05-01-2012 07:38 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if any of the Costa Concordia passengers would book a cruise on the Titanic II
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Frosty 4
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posted 05-01-2012 10:13 AM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
IMHO the new ship will NOT resemble the original ezcept for some of the interior venues,eg. the staircase and clock area. As stated it must have all the latest safety items.
If it is built the cost of a cruise would be expensive.Much higher than the current $$$ ships.
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Thad
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posted 05-01-2012 10:30 AM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I do not know. I think building it in China might allow more "craftmanship" at a lower price. Look at this yacht "Nero" built in China to resemble JP Morgan's Corvair yachts..

the original Corsair IV

If they can make a Titanic II that has the flavor of the Nero, it could be interesting, if a little too goulish for my taste.

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Ernst
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posted 05-01-2012 12:54 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Building a cruise ship in China should not be an issue. While there is certainly the one or the other thing to learn on how to build a good cruise ships efficiently there is on the other hand no 'secret technology' involved.

The yacht posted above is BTW an excellent example of a 'phoney imitation'. It's maybe an interesting concept but even on the photo above she is clearly identified as modern ship.


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desirod7
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posted 05-01-2012 01:05 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Building a retro yacht with modern mechanicals for personal use is not the same as a retro cruiseship for commerical trading, still have the 100 year old design, and be marketeable.

Europe and the USA many old buildings are updated and adaptively reused. The facade and the lobby remain with the non-public spaces modernized and not looking like they did years ago.


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Ernst
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posted 05-01-2012 01:09 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:
[...[still have the 100 year old design, and be marketeable.[...]

The 100 year old design is not marketable.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-01-2012 03:04 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:

The 100 year old design is not marketable.


Not marketable?

A lot of people have made a lot of money from the Titanic over the past 100 years and still are!


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Ernst
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posted 05-01-2012 03:22 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

Not marketable?

A lot of people have made a lot of money from the Titanic over the past 100 years and still are!


What I meant is that the original design is not marketable as cruise ship. People might say that they would like to experience 'Titanic' but frankly, I doubt that they have any clue what that would be about. I am sure one can make a lot of money with a 'Titanic themed' cruise ship, however, there is no way a truly original replica could find a market. Even her first class cabins lacked many facilities that are standard these days - not to talk about other features most passengers would expect aboard a modern cruise ship - and an truly original replica would be a rather expensive cruise ship too.


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posted 05-02-2012 12:45 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Thad:
Well, I do not know. I think building it in China might allow more "craftmanship" at a lower price. Look at this yacht "Nero" built in China to resemble JP Morgan's Corvair yachts..


[ 05-01-2012: Message edited by: Thad ]


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I forgot about this gorgeous yacht. There are several design elements that give it away as being new, but it is still amazing looking. As for building in a country like China, why not? James Cameron took advantage of Mexico's low labor rates when he re-created the interiors of Titanic.

Ship the raw materials to one of those countries, and the craftsmen can build incredible re-creations for a fraction of the price if it was made in the States or Europe. Several well-known European design houses do it w/clothing and accessories so why not complete interiors?


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:

What I meant is that the original design is not marketable as cruise ship.


Rubbish!

Once the balconies, ice rink and rock-wall are added she will sell like hot cakes.


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quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

Rubbish!

Once the balconies, ice rink and rock-wall are added she will sell like hot cakes.


True! Maybe the balconies could be incorporated into what were the covered promenades on the original.


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I don't know why but this reminds me of a Chinese Junk. Only a modern version. I think it's the hull.
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if he WAS to have this built...who would run the line?...or would he start white star name again?...if cunard (carnivore) let him
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The Titanic name and project, aren't property of Cunard?

I guess this australian must have autorization to build a ship like Titanic with the same name. I don't know if in that time this already exists, but something like what now we call trade mark must exists.

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