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Linerrich
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posted 11-08-2010 02:38 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There was an engine room fire aboard CARNIVAL SPLENDOR this morning along the Pacific Coast. The fire was put out, and no word at this early moment regarding the condition of the ship or if the cruise is to be aborted.

Fire on Carnival Splendor

Rich


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Tom Burke
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posted 11-08-2010 03:24 PM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe that's the ship that John Heald is currently on, and blogging from. Nothing about it yet in the blog, however.

John Heald's blog

[ 11-08-2010: Message edited by: Tom Burke ]


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PamM
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posted 11-09-2010 05:13 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yesterday reports stated the fire was in the forward engine room, today all reports say it was the aft engine room - you can't trust any news item.

Sadly it seems they can't restart her and she is going to have to be towed back Thankfully no-one was injured and it wasn't any worse.

Pam


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Tom Burke
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posted 11-09-2010 05:33 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's an update in John Heald's blog now, though not from John (see above for link). They are on auxiliary power, and as a result have no propulsion, no air-con, no hot food, no internet services, and no flushing toilets.

As Pam says, Carnival Splendor is to be towed back to Ensenada. Passengers are to be reimbursed the cost of their cruise, their transportation costs, and will receive a free future cruise.

I look forward to hearing John Heald's account of it all.


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PamM
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posted 11-09-2010 05:47 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps they can go for a dip in the sea from the tender platform as no doubt they can't use the pools either with no filtration.

With normal toilets a bucket of water solves the 'problem'. I suppose there is no easy way around a vaccuum system?

A bonus having a balcony when there is no air-con, bit stiffling in an outside with no openable windows/portholes.

Ah, no interent - wonderful.

Pam


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mike sa
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posted 11-09-2010 08:59 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Free future cruise, full refund plus transport expenses. No doubt free drinks etc until they get where they are going.

Has to be said a lot better than Celebrity's handling on the Century breakdown.

Kudos to Carnival.


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Ernst
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posted 11-09-2010 09:08 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
Free future cruise, full refund plus transport expenses. No doubt free drinks etc until they get where they are going.

Has to be said a lot better than Celebrity's handling on the Century breakdown.

Kudos to Carnival.


It might be better than other cruise lines are handling such a situation but is a free future cruise really an appropriate compensation for an event that might traumatize some people in a way that they never want to step aboard a ship again?


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posted 11-09-2010 10:46 AM      Profile for FL_Cruiser64   Email FL_Cruiser64   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:

It might be better than other cruise lines are handling such a situation but is a free future cruise really an appropriate compensation for an event that might traumatize some people in a way that they never want to step aboard a ship again?


Traumatize? Goodness. It's not like the ship hit an ice berg on a trans-atlantic in the middle of nowhere.

So they drift. They are a few miles of the coast. They get towed back to port (though having to stay in Ensenada may traumatize them).

They get lots of credits and refunds. It's cruising. Things happen.


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Ernst
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posted 11-09-2010 10:53 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by FL_Cruiser64:

Traumatize? Goodness. It's not like the ship hit an ice berg on a trans-atlantic in the middle of nowhere.

So they drift. They are a few miles of the coast. They get towed back to port (though having to stay in Ensenada may traumatize them).

They get lots of credits and refunds. It's cruising. Things happen.


Yes, 'things happen' and no, they did not hit an iceberg but they had a fire aboard and the ship is still without any power.

It might not even be anyone's fault but generally it is a good idea to be generous in such a situation.

Most of us who post here might like the idea of a free cruise but for many it is actually cynical to offer a cruise as compensation after having a bad experience with a cruise (this of course would also apply to other kinds of vacation or products).


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posted 11-09-2010 11:03 AM      Profile for DEIx15x8   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I go to a restaurant and get food poisoning, would fair compensation be a refund and a coupon for a free meal? That coupon seems like a desperate attempt to get me back, but depending on the circumstances I probably wouldn't use it.

According to some of the news sources the only injuries were passengers who suffered severe panic attacks. I'm sure they can't wait to get back on another ship. Something like a fire while in the middle of nowhere like that is a traumatizing experience for people who do not know all of the background dealings of these situations. Think about what the children must be thinking right now, something like this could have a major impact on them for the rest of their lives.

Having said all of that I think the full refund and transportation cost is the only required move for them to do. The free cruise is an apology gift (and a please do not sue gift) and not really something they have to do but i think they should do be offering a free cruise or a $ amount.


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Ernst
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posted 11-09-2010 11:27 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CNN - Cruise ship stranded without power after fire

quote:
Originally posted by DEIx15x8:
[...]The free cruise is an apology gift (and a please do not sue gift) and not really something they have to do but i think they should do be offering a free cruise or a $ amount.

I hope that this is what actually has been offered by Carnival (giving passengers the option to decided between a refund and a 'free' cruise).

[ 11-09-2010: Message edited by: Ernst ]


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 11-09-2010 03:06 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder how many buses will be needed to take the passengers the 3-1/2-hours north to L.A.

No large airport in Ensenada. The closest is 60 miles north in Tijuana but San Diego approx. 80 miles north would be the best option to get people home.


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posted 11-09-2010 03:11 PM      Profile for jetwet1   Author's Homepage   Email jetwet1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Toilets and running water have been restored.

So far the way CLL is handling the situation would be a lesson for all lines, quick and clear communication of what the compensation will be.


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linerguy
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posted 11-09-2010 03:43 PM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's a photo on Yahoo news showing skids of Spam being loaded on a Naval aircraft to take out the the ship........

Free Spam: now THAT'S funny.

-Russ

[ 11-09-2010: Message edited by: linerguy ]


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"Would sir like the Spam tail this evening??"
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posted 11-09-2010 09:26 PM      Profile for Grant   Email Grant   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm beginning to think that this blaze has caused very significant damage to the electrics onboard. There are certain amount of redundancies between the two engine rooms, and while reports have the fire in only one of them, it begs the question as to how there could be damage enough in the other to prevent some systems from operating. While propulsion takes a great deal of energy, perhaps 3 gen sets operating, I would have thought that the basics such as toilets, refrigeration for perishables, and air movement would take much less, perhaps just 1 or two gen sets. The airlifting of food and water suggests that all food supplies are spoiled, and the desalination plants down as well. Hope we hear the true extent of damage once the vessel reachs a shipyard, for what will obviously be a lengthy repair.
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posted 11-09-2010 09:43 PM      Profile for FL_Cruiser64   Email FL_Cruiser64   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:

Yes, 'things happen' and no, they did not hit an iceberg but they had a fire aboard and the ship is still without any power.

It might not even be anyone's fault but generally it is a good idea to be generous in such a situation.

Most of us who post here might like the idea of a free cruise but for many it is actually cynical to offer a cruise as compensation after having a bad experience with a cruise (this of course would also apply to other kinds of vacation or products).


I hope you noted my smiley faces at the end of the post.

I certainly see your point: get a free airline ticket after surviving a crash.


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posted 11-09-2010 11:50 PM      Profile for DEIx15x8   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Grant:
I'm beginning to think that this blaze has caused very significant damage to the electrics onboard. There are certain amount of redundancies between the two engine rooms, and while reports have the fire in only one of them, it begs the question as to how there could be damage enough in the other to prevent some systems from operating. While propulsion takes a great deal of energy, perhaps 3 gen sets operating, I would have thought that the basics such as toilets, refrigeration for perishables, and air movement would take much less, perhaps just 1 or two gen sets. The airlifting of food and water suggests that all food supplies are spoiled, and the desalination plants down as well. Hope we hear the true extent of damage once the vessel reachs a shipyard, for what will obviously be a lengthy repair.

Reminds me of the recent Allure of the Seas video on the propulsion system where they discuss the insane extent of the redundancy onboard. With 6 engines onboard they only need to have 2 of them operational to keep the ship running. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y-bFt_ZKHM


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Tom Burke
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posted 11-10-2010 05:05 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OK, here's a question for all those with knowledge of the relevant US laws.

I gather that this cruise started from Long Beach, and when the fire occurred Carnival Splendor had not yet reached its first port of call in Mexico. Carnival are now saying that given the ship's position, the tugs' capabilities, etc, they are going to try to tow her back to San Diego. If this happens, she will therefore have done a voyage from one US port to another, without calling at a foreign port. What would be the position in US law after such a voyage?


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Ernst
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posted 11-10-2010 05:10 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Burke:
OK, here's a question for all those with knowledge of the relevant US laws.

I gather that this cruise started from Long Beach, and when the fire occurred Carnival Splendor had not yet reached its first port of call in Mexico. Carnival are now saying that given the ship's position, the tugs' capabilities, etc, they are going to try to tow her back to San Diego. If this happens, she will therefore have done a voyage from one US port to another, without calling at a foreign port. What would be the position in US law after such a voyage?


This is an emergency. Do you seriously think that these rules are of any relevance in such a case?


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Tom Burke
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posted 11-10-2010 06:22 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:

This is an emergency. Do you seriously think that these rules are of any relevance in such a case?


I don't know. Are they in fact ignored in such circumstances?


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Waivers are granted to the PSA in certain circumstances and I would expect it would not be questioned in this situation.

Pam


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It makes sense towing the ship to San Diego as that is the closest large modern port. Imagine if this happened to QM2 or another ship in the middle of the Atlantic/Pacific!

I doubt the passengers will need to clear customs in S.D. as they have'nt set foot on land since departing Long Beach, CA.


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Phoenix TV station trying to get in on the story - non-story here
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I wonder if the drinks are free? LOL After all Isn't Carnival a "Party Boat".
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