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mike sa
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posted 04-24-2010 10:10 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Park West Gallerys who operate all art auctions on board cruise ships with the exception of Princess and just recently fired by Disney have lost a case actions Fine Arts Register. As a result the judge found that they regularly (90% of the time) made thier own "independent" valuations exceeding the true market values by many and sometimes 10s of thousands of $. That they knowingly sold (if not actually created) fake Dali prints, and Picassos.

Princess have their own auctions in house and there is no suggestion that their operation is in any way dubious.

RCI recently defended using Park West despite the many ongoing court cases, large numbers of complaints etc etc - obviously they made serious commissions from Park West. They are also used on board Cunard, Carnival, Celebrity, HAL, etc etc etc . I heard that even Crystal use them.

Perhaps in light of this court judgement the above cruise lines might reconsider the use of this very dubious company (some would say con merchants) and find someone else of higher moral and business ethics.

Why all Carnival brands could not fall under the Princess programme I don't know.

BTW I do actually enjoy these auctions as a bit of fun unless they are being rammed down your throat every 5 minutes.


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oslo dutch
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posted 04-24-2010 01:47 PM      Profile for oslo dutch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've never understood these so called art auctions. Mind you I don't know a lot about art,but that tacky stuff I've seen they auction on cruise ships seem to be very overvalued. It seems to be a huge money spinner.

They seem to take disadvantage of the "stupid people" on board. Over the years I've been reading some really bad reports about Park West. For example people received a different piece of art of less value afterwards. Or they paid far too much for it in the first place.

But as long as it's out of the way and not too much pushed I don't mind. However I can remember years ago visiting a Princess Ship where they had this trash cluttered in corridors all over the ship. I looked really cheap. Don't know if they still do it.


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desirod7
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posted 04-24-2010 03:10 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My travelmate on my first Queen Mary cruise is an art conservator and found the auction laughable. It is what you see in Walmart or a Vegas shopping mall.

He noted that Dali in his later years was very senile and would sign his name to a 3 dollar bill.

Many of the prints and paintings are done on an assembly line where one person does the background, another the forms, a third; highlights. It is all shlock.

Anyone who parts with their money deserves what they get.

Me; 5 semesters of art history in school as a requirement. I am not an art expert, but know the garbage from the gold.


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Jack McCoy
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posted 04-25-2010 10:34 PM      Profile for Jack McCoy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've purchased a grand total of one piece of art on a cruise ship. On the ss Norway, 1997, they displayed a print of the ss Norway on the promenade as a way to get people into Checkers for the auction; it worked, I went. After 20 minutes I realized I was sitting in a bar at 3pm in the middle of the Caribbean looking at art I had no interest in. I spoke to a Park West rep and said "I want that print." He said I had to bid. I said give me a price. He finally did, I bought it and it was shipped, framed, to my house. It's in my family room to this day and I'm still happy with my purchase. I've seen one other just like it on E-Bay and it sold for more than what I paid. So I guess I'm a satisfied customer, but I'd never waste my time on a cruise at an auction. For me, there are too many other things to do and no time for that.
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claudio
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posted 04-26-2010 12:47 AM      Profile for claudio   Email claudio   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i often go to see how many idiots they can cram into a lounge i usually walk in grab as many glasses of free champagne i can carry and walk out and go an sit with my friends and ahve a free drink
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geno-er
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posted 04-29-2010 10:33 PM      Profile for geno-er   Email geno-er   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by claudio:
i often go to see how many idiots they can cram into a lounge i usually walk in grab as many glasses of free champagne i can carry and walk out and go an sit with my friends and ahve a free drink

Hey are you my long lost brother LOL, i do the same thing!


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claudio
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posted 04-30-2010 11:20 PM      Profile for claudio   Email claudio   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
geno ar u know what they say
GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE cheers from australia

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