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quote:Originally posted by aggablinky:Was there any damage to the vessel?
Probably some scratched paint where the gangway felt and a bump in the hull where the bollard hit the ship at the bow (we can hear the noise on the video). The ships's gangways which felt in the water might be good for scrap... Nothing serious.
[ 03-06-2009: Message edited by: Carlos Fernandez ]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpV2Mxnr3nYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91b1p1Mpq28
Surely the bow thrusters should have been on. Not sure if this ship has azipods but they should have been on as well to assist with the stern moorings.
I've seen both azipods and bow thrusters left on tickover in a very similar situation. Crew entirely to blame in my opinion.
quote:Originally posted by TC@Sea: Crew entirely to blame in my opinion.
Technically the Master is in charge, but failure of the moorings and wind/sea conditions will be taken into account. I'm no expert but it looks like the structure of the 'bollard' simply failed - hardly MSC's or the crews fault.
[ 03-08-2009: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]
quote:Originally posted by TC@Sea:Crew entirely to blame in my opinion.
If it is established that the mooring was done appropriately, I see no reason to blame the Master. Bollards are supposed to stand this kind of constraint. If they have just been installed, Palma port authority must sue the contractor who did the job or blame theirselves to have choosen an inappropriate equipment.
quote:Originally posted by TC@Sea:I'm no authority on this but surely whatever measures the tension on the bow mooring must have been screaming out. Surely the bow thrusters should have been on. Not sure if this ship has azipods but they should have been on as well to assist with the stern moorings.I've seen both azipods and bow thrusters left on tickover in a very similar situation. Crew entirely to blame in my opinion.
A Lesson in "think before you speak"....
The authorities in Palma have officially stated that this incident was beyond the control of MSC and have cited the crew for exemplary action.
It's obvious the bollards were not anchored properly.
Tim
quote:Originally posted by adriana & norway lover:See here http://www.meteo-world.com/news/index-2459.php
This reminds me to the incident with the s.s. Rotterdam in Lisbon in April 1960.
We also pulled the bollards from the quay.
Willem
[ 03-07-2009: Message edited by: Willem ]
Not quite the same thing but Star Princess 1 during her first season in Alaska departed Skagway without dropping the mooring lines and pulled half the dock into the water ! Captain eventually became Commodore !
quote:Originally posted by mike sa:Definately not MSC's fault. They responded well though and very quickly.Not quite the same thing but Star Princess 1 during her first season in Alaska departed Skagway without dropping the mooring lines and pulled half the dock into the water ! Captain eventually became Commodore !
Any picture ? Big mistake of both the master and the pilot.
quote:Originally posted by Grant:Mike-if you are speaking of "Lago" he put dents and scrapes on alot over the years!! Here in Victoria when there are heavy winds, the ships keep the thrusters on to ease the tensions on the lines.Grant
Grant were you thinking of Largo mar........
[ 03-07-2009: Message edited by: GregSFBayArea ]
I wonder if the thrusters were on on this ship? It seems like common sense that they should be on in such conditions. These massive slab sided ships act like enormous sails.
In another era the captain(s) of the 1948 Caronia did'nt care for that ship's tall wide funnel as it also acted as a sail. Imagine handling a 1000', 12-deck high ship in windy conditions!
[ 03-07-2009: Message edited by: lasuvidaboy ]
From my experience it is really hard to pull bollards off the pier. When I spent 9 weeks onboard the PRIDE OF AMERICA, we had bow thrusters and pods on to counter the strong winds in Maui. The worst that happened to us was one mooring line snapping on us. Yet, we were still on the pier.
Just thankful no fool was sitting on the bollard at the time having a photo taken; they would be no more.
Pam
quote:Originally posted by PamM:Does MSC FANTASIA have the auto-tension winches? These are mesmerising to watch, well I found them fascinating anyway and have a short clip of Norwegian Gem's in action online.
Sounds like a very good reason not to have a cabin anywhere near the bow!
Ernie
quote:Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:A Lesson in "think before you speak"....The authorities in Palma have officially stated that this incident was beyond the control of MSC and have cited the crew for exemplary action. It's obvious the bollards were not anchored properly. Tim
Sincere apologies for expressing my humble opinion on a chat forum and "not thinking before I speak". In future I'll just "keep my mouth shut"
I'll just disappear back under the stone where I came from. Thank you for that valuable lesson. Not sure how I would have got through the rest of my life without it.
Colin.
quote:Originally posted by viking109:Imagine a really strong wind blowing on all of EPICS beautiful 19 decks.
I raised that point in the "Epic looks" thread, she is going to be a beast to handle.
Back to the OP, these things happen, though the bollards giving way is far less common than lines letting go.
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