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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 03-03-2009 01:56 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It looks as if the curse of the unbroken champagne bottle has struck again with the Aurora having more engine trouble about four hours after she sailed from Sydney.

She is creeping across the Tasman Sea to Auckland at 12 to 14 knots and calls at Napier and Wellington have been cancelled.

She will take four days instead of two days for the crossing !

She is said to have a problem with her port shaft thrust bearing and is expected to be in Auckland for at least two days for repairs to be carried out by engineers that are being flown out to meet the ship.

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-03-2009 05:00 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Neil Whitmore ( Bob ex P&O Cruises):

She is said to have a problem with her port shaft thrust bearing and is expected to be in Auckland for at least two days for repairs to be carried out by engineers that are being flown out to meet the ship.

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Meanwhile the reliable 40-year-old Maxim Gorkiy is on the beach and other reliable oldsters are being retired.


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Sutho
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posted 03-03-2009 06:25 PM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Unfortunatly its another prime example of poor business practices of a company not wishing to withdraw a ship from service for maintenance, servicing and repairs.

What is happening at P&O, Arcadia is going around the world with two shipping containers on its Sun Deck containing generators, Aurora has almost broken down in the Tasman - too bad if it were in the middle of the Pacific.

No matter how loyal you are to a company, you hate to see incidents like this that could have been avoided. Apparantly it happened before on Aurora last July or August on a Greenland/Iceland and Norway cruise and they did an on the run repair. I am willing to bet they did not pull the ship from service after that cruise for a few days to fully assess and service the ship.


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PamM
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posted 03-03-2009 07:06 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why does Arcadia need the generators; are her own broken, or did she need extra power?

Have QV's stabilisers been repaired yet?

Any problems with BW, QM2, Delphin Voyager, Delphin or any of the many other ships making their annual grand voyages? Just seems Aurora gets picked on sometimes. Even Vistamar made it to Durban the other day without incident [As accident prone as Mona Lisa perhaps?]

Pam


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Sutho
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posted 03-03-2009 09:26 PM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aurora gets picked on thats for sure. That stupid champagne bottle myth sticks, its a myth just like the number 13 can hurt you and you will disappear in the Bermuda triangle.

The generator on Arcadia's sun deck is in constant use. One of their own generators cant generate electricity (they wont say which one or what for) and there is another standby generator in a second shipping container next to it. There is a strong smell of fuel around it and every day engineers are up there doing things with it around the clock.

I am sure all of us who own cars get them taken off the road to be serviced, repaired etc. If something wrong develops with a ship it should be pulled from service. They should at least schedule maintenance periods in throughout the year to keep it operational as these incidental expenses would have to be costing them allot more money than it would cost to maintain them properly. The name Carnival is not held in very high esteem amongst allot of passengers and you can see why.


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-03-2009 09:34 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I recall ships like the original Queens missed at least one or two or more roundtrips every year during their careers for ongoing maintenance. It seems most modern cruise ships don't go through the same process and most are'nt doing a high-speed relay week end and out.
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bmajor
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posted 03-03-2009 10:21 PM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Ports of Auckland schedule has been altered as follows

AURORA QUEENS WHARF
Arrive 6/3/2009 21:04 From SYDNEY
Depart 8/3/2009 7:04 To BAY OF ISLANDS

Weather reports for the Tasman crossing are not promising.


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 03-04-2009 04:15 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When the P & O ss Oriana was on Australian cruising in the 1980's she was dry-docked every year in September at the Singapore dry docks.

One year it would be for 9 days and the following year for 14 days !


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posted 03-04-2009 04:52 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She probably needed it with her engines. Oriana had her own share of groundings, shaft/prop problems, fires, even a collision; remember. Her sailing life was really rather short too. No better or worse than any of today's P&O ships imho [a bit uglier though ].

Pam


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 03-04-2009 07:49 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There was nothing wrong with her engines in her latter years.

She could still cruise at 27.5 knots with no problems.

It was the increases in the cost of oil that led to her being withdrawn from service in March 1986, even though she was advertised in the P & O Australian brochures to undertake some more cruises.

Being on the ship at that time, I have a copy of the brochure !


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bmajor
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posted 03-06-2009 02:48 PM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aurora limped into Auckland last night. I saw her sail past the bay very slowly about 9pm last night and she headed on through the mist to dock in Auckland about 11pm Friday night.
From postings I have gleaned from the boards it appears passengers have been told a 6 ton bearing for the propulsion shaft has broken . Engineers from Germany have been flown out and will be inspecting/repairing it today (Saturday 7 Mar) and the passengers are waiting to be told ...
if it can be repaired.
Lets hope it can be repaired and they can continue the World Cruise.

They have backed her into Queens Wharf so the cam is looking over to Stanley Point on the North Shore.

The following has just been posted by a passenger...

They've been told it'll be a minimum of 3 days before the ship will be repaired!!!!

Not looking good.

[ 03-06-2009: Message edited by: bmajor ]


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Sutho
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posted 03-06-2009 08:32 PM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can a shaft bearing break down on a ship without giving any warning prior?

Can a break down like this be prevented with servicing and does this part have an operational life where it should be replaced from time to time?

It would be nice to see more information about it.


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avalon1025
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posted 03-07-2009 12:39 AM      Profile for avalon1025   Email avalon1025   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hear Millennium is also have an issue down under and her 3/15 sailing is canceled
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bmajor
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posted 03-07-2009 01:24 AM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Departure from Auckland was to have been noon on Monday.
Chatting to a passenger today he said the Captain has put it back to at least Monday evening at the earliest as it is worse than expected.
If they can't it fix here,will they have to tow her home?
If they can't fix it here, how many planes will they need to fly everyone home?

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posted 03-07-2009 02:37 AM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It certainly raises questions what to do if it cant be fixed. Surely there are shipyards that can repair it in this area of the world.

I am still hoping someone can answer my first question.


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bmajor
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posted 03-07-2009 03:14 AM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would appear this problem needs specialists, who not only know what they are doing ,
but have the required tools available
and the back up to fix it.
Meanwhile news is breaking that
Celebrity Millenium
is cancelling cruises down here.
Its a worry.

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 03-07-2009 05:30 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Auckland does have a shipyard but may not have the experience for this type of repair.

There is also the ones in Brisbane or Newcastle, Australia, which are used for the P & O Australia ships.

The other choice would seem to be Singapore or she could become a new island in the South Pacific !!


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bmajor
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posted 03-07-2009 05:35 PM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Neil Whitmore ( Bob ex P&O Cruises):
The other choice would seem to be Singapore or she could become a new island in the South Pacific !!

We could incorporate her into a new port redevelopment scheme...
a ready made hotel.


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bmajor
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posted 03-08-2009 10:21 PM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thousands of cruise ship passengers stranded in Auckland

So the news has broken.
Even if it is just retailers rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of 2,00 extra shoppers in the city.
I have been watching for any reports ever since this whole thing started.
I dont think the media realise just what is going on yet.
Wait till they start talking to the passengers
The story should be picked up now and the media will start asking curly questions.....
especially if she is delayed any longer.
Does any one know how far across the Pacific she could get without refuelling?
I heard they have cancelled Tahiti, and that only leaves Hawaii,and SanFrancisco before she is booked to go through the Panama Canal.
I would have thought she would have to stop in Hawaii to top up the tanks.


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Sutho
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posted 03-08-2009 11:27 PM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Its funny how the news article is thanking their retail sales based on the NZ$ compared to the US$ and thinking the tourists are Americans. It is more than likely there are zero Americans on that ship at all. Americans do not travel with P&O.

It would be a poor choice just to speed across the Pacific to make up time and get to San Francisco on schedule. Why not stick to the itinerary and arrive in each port late. They will have to cancell the following cruise but wouldnt that be easier than trying to calculate what compensation the passengers on Aurora are entitled to?

I would think that if they stuck to the itinerary and the passengers ended up with a longer cruise then they would not be asking for any compensation. It would be simpler just to refund the passengers on the following cruise and add a short party cruise to fill in the gap when it arrives back in Southampton.


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posted 03-08-2009 11:39 PM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
It would be a poor choice just to speed across the Pacific to make up time and get to San Francisco on schedule. Why not stick to the itinerary and arrive in each port late. They will have to cancell the following cruise but wouldnt that be easier than trying to calculate what compensation the passengers on Aurora are entitled to?

Good idea,but it starts to get complicated as they would have to compensate passengers on the following cruise.
My understanding,and I stand to be corrected here, is that they have to pay up front for the booking at a port of call, whether they use it or not,so that the berth can be held for them.
They will also be booked in for the canal transit and if they miss that they will have to join the queue.
Latest from a passenger is that it wont be until at least Tuesday night now,but the Captain will not commit to a deparure time.


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posted 03-09-2009 01:57 AM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am still curious to know if this shaft thrust bearing problem could have been avoided and how long engineers knew that it was a problem before it broke down. I have heard that these parts heat up and become very noisy making it obvious they are on the way out. On other forums pepople have said that it needs servicing and lubricating to keep operational.
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posted 03-09-2009 02:06 AM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Departure now gone back to Wednesday at the earliest.....
Not looking good.

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posted 03-09-2009 07:04 PM      Profile for greybeard     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Scheduled calls at Moorea and Papeete have been cancelled, so if Aurora does leave Auckland on Wednesday, there will be only one port call, at Honolulu, before arrival at San Francisco on March 23. Cabin fever, anyone?

See Captain Greybeard's update.


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posted 03-09-2009 07:14 PM      Profile for reeves35   Email reeves35   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Imagine the slagging Aurora would be receiving now if she had been Vista class!!!!

Brad


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