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P&OOfficer
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posted 11-23-2007 03:53 AM      Profile for P&OOfficer        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From BBC:

Sinking cruiseliner is evacuated

British coastguards are rescuing passengers from a sinking cruiseliner off Argentina's coast.
The Explorer is reported to have hit an object in the Antarctic Ocean, near the South Shetland Islands.

Andy Cattrell, of the Falmouth Coastguard, said about 100 passengers and 54 crew members have been evacuated and are in lifeboats.

The captain and the chief officer are understood to have remained on board the cruiseliner.

BBC Report


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P&OOfficer
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posted 11-23-2007 04:38 AM      Profile for P&OOfficer        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The story evolves:

From the BBC 0924GMT:

Cruise boat sinking off Argentina
Passengers and crew members are being rescued from a sinking cruise liner off Argentina's coast.
The MV Explorer is reported to have hit an object in the Antarctic Ocean, near the South Shetland Islands.

Andy Cattrell, of the Falmouth Coastguard, told the BBC about 100 passengers and 54 crew members have been evacuated and are in lifeboats.

The captain and the chief officer are understood to have remained on board the vessel, which was built in 1969.

Mr Cattrell said the weather conditions were "fairly good" for this time of year, but it would be cold.

Damaged hull

"You certainly don't want anyone in the water. As they're all in lifeboats they should be fairly secure for the short-term at least," he said.

He did not know what caused the sinking, but said: "It's something fairly strong to damage the hulls."

Neil Oliver, of the coast guard station at Falmouth, England, told AP news agency the liner was about to sink.

"They do expect her to go down shortly," he said.

British coastguards are helping to co-ordinate the rescue operation.

The UK Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) said the vessel had a 25 degree list.

The MCA was informed at 0524 GMT on Friday of the incident involving the 2,400-tonne vessel.

A rescue operation is being co-ordinated by the US Coastguard in Norfolk, Virginia, with the authorities in Ushuaia, Argentina.

Another ship called Antarctic Dream, which is in the area, has been diverted to help the rescue.

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rd77
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posted 11-23-2007 04:44 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is not the first time the EXPLORER is in trouble. She nearly sank off Antarctica back in the early 70s (when she was still called LINDBLAD EXPLORER).

Brgds.
Ralph


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posted 11-23-2007 04:53 AM      Profile for adriana & norway lover     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
from cruise community :
Passengers abandon Explorer which is listing in Antarctica
23/11/2007
A major rescue operation involving expedition cruise ship Explorer is underway in the Antarctic Ocean this morning.
The UK Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA), which is helping with the rescue near the South Shetland Islands, has confirmed to Seatrade Insider that passengers and crew have abandoned ship and are currently in lifeboats awaiting rescue. Nearest ships in the area are believed to be about 90 minutes to two hours away.

According to a Sky News report at 9.00am (UK time) 154 people have abandoned ship with the master and first officer remaining onboard. The 1969-built ship is understood have hit an object and is listing at 25 degrees.

Explorer is operated by Toronto-based small group adventure tour operator, G.A.P. Adventures.


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PamM
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posted 11-23-2007 04:54 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is terrible news. See also The Telegraph report. She had a full load aboard too. She must have hit something strong. Here is her position as at last night.


Pam


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posted 11-23-2007 05:00 AM      Profile for RCI 20   Email RCI 20   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ships from USCG and Argentine CG are underway.
Cruise ship Antarctic Dreamer is not more than an houer away, also MV Nordnorge is heading towards the sinking Explorer.
This looks to end failey good. Thank God.

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PamM
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posted 11-23-2007 05:19 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you look at Nordnorge's webcam you will another vessel ahead, heading in the same direction. Antarctic Dream has a red hull, those colours there all tend to merge.

Pam


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posted 11-23-2007 05:24 AM      Profile for OceanVoyager   Email OceanVoyager   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From Lloyds List:-

A Rescue operation has begun after a cruiseship hit an object in the Antarctic Ocean, near the South Shetland Islands.

The 1969-built Explorer registered to Gap Shipping, a subsidiary of Gap Adventures is reported to be sinking and listing at 25 degrees.

Andy Cattrell, of the Falmouth Coastguard, said about 100 passengers and 54 crew members have been evacuated and are in lifeboats.

The captain and the chief officer are understood to have remained on board the vessel.

Earlier reports from Gap Adventures said the vessel was holed in Cabin 314 and water then went down into the separator room.

US Coastguard reported at 0700hrs that Argentina has sent two vessels to assist, which are due on the scene in two hours

V.Ships president Roberto Giorgi said the vessel was managed by V.Ships Leisure until November 2006, when Gap Shipping took management in-house.

Although V.Ships Leisure still handles crewing for the vessel, and has around 60 crew members attached to it, mostly from the Phillipines. The captain is believed to be a Swedish national.

Andrew


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HendrikusOM
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posted 11-23-2007 06:16 AM      Profile for HendrikusOM   Email HendrikusOM   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Try to place picture, do not succeed.
Someone else try ?!?
HendrikusOM

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Eric
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posted 11-23-2007 06:27 AM      Profile for Eric   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Picture now on Nordnorge webcam, click Pams link above. Eric
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posted 11-23-2007 06:41 AM      Profile for Eric   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the webcam picture shows some very small bergs in the area, surely it cannot have hit one of those. If it did it must have been at speed with no one on lookout! Reputedly it is ice hardened. Telegraph uk is now reporting Argentine coastguard as saying it did hit an iceberg & had a 4" x 10" gash in hull - no watertight doors shut? now said to be not sinking. hope the passengers are picked up by Nordnorge as Antarctic dream is quite small with only 42 cabins. you will remember Nordnorge had to collect Nordkapp's passengers last January. Pams map shows position south of some small islands that I now understand are called "25th March" & are themselves south of the well known Elephant Island of Shackleton fame. the ship seems to be in the main channel & thus well away from rocky areas. Eric
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PamM
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posted 11-23-2007 06:41 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This brings on the goosebumps and shivering

Pam


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posted 11-23-2007 06:42 AM      Profile for HendrikusOM   Email HendrikusOM   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you Pam,
if we did not have you.....
Henri.

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posted 11-23-2007 06:44 AM      Profile for RCI 20   Email RCI 20   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All passengers and crew safely onboard M/V Nordnorge. Wet and frozen, but ok according to the capt. of M/V Nordnorge.
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ahrpd
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posted 11-23-2007 06:51 AM      Profile for ahrpd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ENDEAVOUR has also been involved in the rescue.

Tony


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OceanVoyager
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posted 11-23-2007 07:01 AM      Profile for OceanVoyager   Email OceanVoyager   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Notice from webcam there is no longer the vessel in view.

Hope its just that the Nordnorge has moved and the Explorer hasn't sunk.

Andrew


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mike sa
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posted 11-23-2007 07:10 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sky reporting that she did in fact hit a small iceberg. Second big problem in 2 years.

Cruise lines take note, Explorer is ice classified and is sinking because she hit a small berg which opened up her hull. Golden Princess and other similar large vessels from Celebrity, HAL etc are not ice classified and it is about time you all realised the fact. Antartica is not a suitable place for any of you to cruise, rescuing 154 people from a small ship is one thing, to try and rescue 2600 pax plus a 1000 crew in what is a remote area far from land with only infrequent smaller ships perchance near by would be nigh on impossible.

For safety reasons and environmental reasons ships carrying more than 400 pax and 200 crew should immediately be banned from these waters. Some cruise lines are confusing profit with safety.

I understand the desire by pax to go there, it is the only continent I have yet to visit myself and I would love to go but........

It is a relief that all onboard are safe.


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posted 11-23-2007 08:02 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi All

As the Princess cruise ships cruise amongst the ice in Alaska, with no problems, I expect the company feels there would not be a problem with their ships visiting the Antartic.

Has anyone heard if the Captain and other officer were also taken off the mv ' Explorer ' with the passengers, as reports seem to suggest that the flooding has been stopped.

Assuming there is power available on board, with the water tight doors closed, it might be possible to get her pumps running and get her back on an even keel so that she is towable.

The mv ' Explorer ' was in the dry-docks at Singapore, when named ' Society Explorer ' at the same time as the ss ' Oriana ' was there having a re-fit in the early 1980's.

You could see the remains of the name ' Lindblad Explorer ' on her bows.

Neil ( Bob )


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PamM
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posted 11-23-2007 08:16 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to the Sky News & BBC reports [who interviewed a chap from GAP] the Capt and Chief Officer have also now abandoned ship. Apart from the renderings of the vessels concerned the TV reports are actually quite good.

Pam


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posted 11-23-2007 08:35 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You can see all the 3 images being shown around the news reports on Btno's site.

Pam


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posted 11-23-2007 08:40 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry Neil you are missing the point, if you hit ice in Alaska (and there is a minimal amount of large ice and it is softer due to it being much warmer than Antartic) and by some weird chance you holed the ship and started to sink, 1) all the cruise ships are much closer to land, 2) there are 25 zillion other mega ships all plowing the same route (Skagway is begining to look like St Thomas with the number of ships in each day) that are literally no more and more often less than an hour away, plus there is coast guard, helicopters and the like. Evacuating 2500 in Alaska is not such a big deal. In the Antartic there is no help just over the horizon and if there is it is likely to be small and ill equipped to take on 2-3000 people. Coast guard is multi hours away, it is too far for helicopters etc. The weather is as we all know likely to be freezing cold, possibly gale force etc even in the height of summer. How then can it be appropriate for something like Golden Princess to be "cruising" this area given 2 evacuations in 2 years both of which were properly equipped for the area and one of which is imminently about to sink ?.

Coastguard (strangely though I think the Australian ?) report that she is about to sink and all crew have been removed.

I am sure the brochure said an adventure of a life time, well the pax got more than they paid or bargained for ! Now we sit back and see how many sue.


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posted 11-23-2007 09:17 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It can not be said often enough that large cruise ships are out of place in Antarctic waters.
Tourism in the Antarctic is possible - but there ARE limitations and large cruise ships are certainly the wrong way to do that.

I sincerely hope that Explorer will not sink and that all crew and passengers get out safely.


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Look at the photo and it appears that small bergs are visible in the backround. Remember only a small portion of the berg is above water. I wonder if this ship had sonar to assist in navigating in these waters. I'll bet most cruise ships don't. It's only a matter of time before a cruise ship(a big one) has a problem there.
Frosty 4

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posted 11-23-2007 10:16 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lloyds List article on the condition of Explorer.
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posted 11-23-2007 10:57 AM      Profile for Eric   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Neil (Bob), having sailed on both areas I can confirm what Mike SA says. The ice in Alaska has no relation to Antarctica ice. Grains of wheat to to boulders the size of a cathedral springs to mind. Alaska has a huge infratructure on land as well as all the seaborn traffic. Many go on an Alaskan cruise & think they are seeing wilderness wken it is just an extension of North America. Antarctica is the last true wilderness in the World, even the nearest land Patagonia is remote by Alaskan standards. Ushuaia is 36 hours steaming from Antarctica & 4 hours flying time from BA/Santiago. I did know from the UKantarctic heritage trust site (they run Port Lockroy) that ice conditions were bad so far this year. Nordnorge had a job to get through & drop staff off on it's first visit & when it came back with 2nd lot of passengers could not get through at all. Other early cruisers have also reported missing out on southernmost visits. The Lloyds link posted by Ernst says Explorer had defects with watertught doors on inspection. No chance IMHO that a giant cruise ship could survive a similar incident without considerable casulties down there. Eric
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