[ 11-06-2006: Message edited by: annnthony ]

And people wonder WHY all cruiselines don't allow alcohol brought onboard?

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Originally posted by steeplechase:
What are you two 7 years old? How do you believe that a ship is a bad place to get drunk? What a stupid response, maybe we should halt drinking on shore as people are getting into vehicles and killing themselves. Acruise ship is a perfect place to get drunk and if you fall overboard well the world lost a not so bright person and the buffet line will be alittle shorter. You can't save them all.

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Ok let me rephrase myself. Getting drunk is stupid no matter where you are, on land or at sea. You get really drunk just to feel good for a few hours and then wake up the next day feeling horrible. People are dying all the time because they were drunk or someone else was drunk around them and ended up killing them. But I guess thats ok since our all important buffet lines will be shorter. It's interesting to me the way you make it sound like its not a bad thing when someone who is "not so bright", as you put it, dies. The way you make it sound like your time in the buffet line being shorter is more important then somebodys life. I don't really have sympathy for the one who died, but you have to think deeper then that. You have to think about all the other people affected by this guys actions. For exsample if he has kids, they no longer have a fatheror if he's married, his wife no longer has a husband.

[ 11-07-2006: Message edited by: Cunard Fan ]

[ 11-07-2006: Message edited by: Cunard Fan ]

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Originally posted by Cunard Fan:

Ok let me rephrase myself....

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I think it was pretty clear that Steeplechase was using sarcasm to make the point that changing the cruise line's alcohol policy would be reactionary move that would have little impact on the overboard incidents and a penalize the majority of cruise passengers who drink responsibly on their cruise vacations.

While these incidents get a lot of attention, they are still very rare when you consider to the millions of other passengers who go on cruises and somehow manage to avoid falling off the ship - even after enjoying a glass of wine or two at dinner.

The point of a cruise ship being a perfect place to drink is actually very true. You can spend the day at the beach, go to dinner, and enjoy a show in the evening without ever having to get in your car. If you want to enjoy a drink along the way, it's certainly a more responsible action than doing the same thing at home where you might be driving.

Every navy ship does that and with the amount of crew members to passenger ratio they boast then they can afford to spare someone each hour.

I would hate to think that cruise lines consider their crew above doing menial tasks like that which world navies consider appropriate.

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Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
It's not just a cruise ship issue:See Here

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've just heard on the news that they have found the guys missing today from the ferry. They are perfectly alive as those idiots rented a car instead of reporting to their coach. Do they realize the mess they created in the Channel ?

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Well, they're saying that they told the coach driver that they wouldn't be getting on the coach. Here's a link to a BBC News page about it:

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Originally posted by feargus:
''Why dont the ships just employ crew members on watches to stand at the stern and monitor the ships wake 24/7 at sea.''

the government can employ people to stand on the top of tall buildings and bridges all day long as well. we can also have a policeman for every car, they can stand next to them all day to make sure no one drives drunk.
i would also like to see all food sold everywhere made in liquid form so no one ever needs a knife again, thus stopping people slashing their wrists.
come on if someone wants to check out they will and if someone is so drunk they fall off a ship then sorry but that is just the way life is, or was.

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Whats this bunch of uneducated sarcastic crap about!

It is the normal part of a sailors job at sea keeping watches!!!!! The Navy places people in that position on a one hour roster 24/7 it is not an extra person paid to do a new job but an extra duty within your normal working hours.

I mention something that the Navy has been doing for hundreds of years as a measure to protect crew even in peace time and we get a child making sarcastic remarks about it. I would love for you to fall off the ship next time you go on one and perhaps you will rethink your childish remarks.

Watchmen duties are NOT only used for lost passengers/crew they monitor for any items of the ship falling off, any vessels approaching from the rear or threats to the ship. If you are going to operate ships then you need watchmen posted at the stern too and not just on the bridge.

Anything that falls offf a ship and could pose a hazzard to other ships has to be recovered such as deck chairs on crusie ships if someone threw them off in a drunken frenzy. I am not too concerned about people who throw themselves off. I am more concerned about proper security measures being carried out correctly. Remember the Seabourne ship that was attacked by pirates of Somalia?? it is incidents like that where watchmen come in handy. Not to mention any change in colour in the ships wake if the ship starts losing oil or any substance that should not be coming out. The watchmen duties are supposed to encompass a wide range of things and are not just limited to jumpers.

[ 11-13-2006: Message edited by: Sutho ]

Watchmen on naval vessels seem more interested in me taking photos of them & waving, than anything falling off their ship. I've never seen any vessel other than a naval one with watchmen on the stern. Perhaps in the South China Seas there are some though. They are more concerned with security of the vessel than anyone or thing disappearing overboard.

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Originally posted by feargus:

the government can employ people to stand on the top of tall buildings and bridges all day long as well. we can also have a policeman for every car, they can stand next to them all day to make sure no one drives drunk.
i would also like to see all food sold everywhere made in liquid form so no one ever needs a knife again, thus stopping people slashing their wrists.
come on if someone wants to check out they will and if someone is so drunk they fall off a ship then sorry but that is just the way life is, or was.

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After reading that particular part of your reply it speaks volumes about your intellect and capacity for reasoning, and it is perfectly obvious how stupid the remark was - and if those qualifications you state you have are correct you have lowered the credability of the agencies you worked for.

As much as I desspise jumpers - they should be rescued as it does more damage to the cruise lines reputation than anything else. Having a watchmen is not just exclusive to watch for jumpers.

I also dont think restricting alcohol consumption will make a difference as it all boils down to the individual and not the drink.

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Originally posted by Sutho:

I am aware of one shipping incident where a man had thrown a woman overboard for not wanting to spend the night with him and she was spotted and rescued - do people like that deserve the chance to be rescued???

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