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Surely the QE2 is faster and will take the short route? I assume the 'cruise ship' will take a more sheltered route? Do they arrive together in NY?
- I would not be so sure about which ship actually is safer in a storm. Modern ships may be less comfortable during bad weather - but (usually) they are more stable and less prone to capsize. (I know this is also generalizing - but there has been some progress)
quote:Originally posted by Ernst:- One can not come to any conclusions concerning the seaworthiness of QV based on observations of the Cunard Princess.--------------------------------------- but (usually) they are more stable and less prone to capsize. (I know this is also generalizing - but there has been some progress)
Ernst,
I was advised that the QV's sea keeping is a step ahead of the Vista class which is better than the 80's-90's boxboats. QV will eventually take the role of the QE2 for world cruises. At Sea Trade I looked at large scale models of the Vista vs the Destiny and the Vista hull is much finer with a sharper bow than the Destiny.
Malcolm,
I would think they would take a more southerly route since storms beat up the ship, contents inside, and wear down the carpeting with you know what.
[ 10-05-2006: Message edited by: desirod7 ]
They would also sustain structural damage if they regularly encountered heavy seas.
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:They would also sustain structural damage if they regularly encountered heavy seas.
Which is one reason why Carnival and NCL are rotating their ships out of New York, which was questioned in another thread.
Rich
quote:Originally posted by desirod7:Ernst,I was advised that the QV's sea keeping is a step ahead of the Vista class which is better than the 80's-90's boxboats. QV will eventually take the role of the QE2 for world cruises. At Sea Trade I looked at large scale models of the Vista vs the Destiny and the Vista hull is much finer with a sharper bow than the Destiny.]
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Maybe - but it won't be a day-night difference. I have no detailed information of the present QV design. I only saw things on Vista and the old QV design.
The motivations for the finer lines is probably the higher speed - faster usually have a smaller water plane surface and one wants to shift the center of the water plane surface to the aft - but it is difficult if not impossible to 'see' the sea keeping abilities by just looking at the hull shape - one does not see the mass distribution of the ship and one has to consider the dampening (!) of the different modes (O.K. one can see how 'sharp' the bilge radius is etc.) - this considerably influences the behaviour of the ship in a seaway.
Also, I have been on ships built in the 80ies which behaved very nicely during really bad weather - one can not generalize that.
quote:Originally posted by Ernst:Maybe - but it won't be a day-night difference. I have no detailed information of the present QV design. I only saw things on Vista and the old QV design.................................Also, I have been on ships built in the 80ies which behaved very nicely during really bad weather - one can not generalize that.
Maybe - but it won't be a day-night difference. I have no detailed information of the present QV design. I only saw things on Vista and the old QV design.................................Also, I have been on ships built in the 80ies which behaved very nicely during really bad weather - one can not generalize that.
Which 80's ships?
You know more than me here. The exhibitors, speakers, attendees at Sea Trade have forgotton more about ships than I will ever know and will believe what they tell me unless it is totally ridiculous. QV is 30' longer at the bow than the standard Vista. BTW I have never sailed a 1980's ship. A good arbiter here is where Lloyds: the insurance underwriter will let a ship sail. I cannot think of any 1980's cruise boat that can do a wintertime North Atlantic.
Hopefully you will come to Sea Trade in 2007 and you can educate me.
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:Help - I've had a lapse of memory! What's all this about QV and QE2's tandem crossing in early 2008?
Has anyone looked at the Cunard website?
QE2 and QV are advertised as doing a "tandem Atlantic crossing" leaving Southampton on Sunday January 6, 2008 and arrriving in New York on Sunday January 13, 2008.
QE2 could do it faster. QM2 does it in six days.
So QV takes a day longer and QE2 slows down to keep pace with her.
What's the issue?
It's still a darn sight faster than a Transatlantic repo cruise on any other present-day ship you care to mention.
quote:Originally posted by greybeard:It's still a darn sight faster than a Transatlantic repo cruise on any other present-day ship you care to mention.
It's certainly a darn sight better than cattle-class on an aircraft!
...any idea which NY port will they use? I could not find that information on the Cunard web site.
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:. ..any idea which NY port will they use? I could not find that information on the Cunard web site.
. ..any idea which NY port will they use? I could not find that information on the Cunard web site.
R*d H@@k ????
Red Hook isn't big enough, is it?
quote:Originally posted by CGT:QM2 could cross in five days, could she not? I think so.
At 30 knts (her max speed, I think), with no delay, no rough seas, no icebergs, on the Northern route : yes. But it would be very very tight, especialy for an Eastbound crossing.
Sure she could. Today both QE2 and QM2 have a scheduled service speed of 26 knots when crossing the Atlantic. The original service speed (for a 5-day crossing) for QM, QE and QE2 was 28.5 knots and QM2 had a top speed on her trials of a little over 30 knots. I much prefer the 5-day crossing and the added speed. It is always a thrill to stand on QE2s lido when she is charging along at 28-30 knots.
quote:Originally posted by desirod7:. QV is 30' longer at the bow than the standard Vista.
. QV is 30' longer at the bow than the standard Vista.
It the added length simply for looks or does it serve a purpose?
quote:Originally posted by Patsy:Ram Lizzie?
I'd rather see the Vicky rammed in that boxy flat stern!
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