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greybeard
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posted 08-01-2006 05:38 AM      Profile for greybeard     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
SEATTLE, July 31 (Reuters) - A cruise ship captain pleaded guilty on Monday to operating a Celebrity Cruise Line vessel -- carrying 1,884 passengers -- while under the influence of alcohol.
The U.S. Coast Guard arrested Periklis Petridis, a Greek citizen in command of the Mercury cruise liner, on May 19, hours before the ship was scheduled to depart from a Seattle pier for Alaska.
During a routine Coast Guard check, officials discovered the captain had been drinking. Tests found Petridis, 47, with a blood alcohol level as high as 0.181, more than four times the federal maritime limit for operating a ship.
As part of a plea agreement, Petridis received one year's probation, a $15,000 fine and a one-year ban from entering U.S. waters as an employee of any commercial vessel.
Celebrity Cruise's parent company, Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd., relieved Petridis of command and dismissed him after his arrest in May.

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PamM
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posted 08-01-2006 06:15 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
.. take note that one is considered to be "operating" a vessel when it is alongside and one is off duty. Also a plea agreement saves a lot of agro for everyone.

I noted on Century when it came to the toasts after the introduction of all the staff, that the Captain took great pains to make it obvious he only took a tiny sip from the glass before calling over the waitress to give back the glass.

Pam

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desirod7
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posted 08-01-2006 06:24 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
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I noted on Century when it came to the toasts after the introduction of all the staff, that the Captain took great pains to make it obvious he only took a tiny sip from the glass before calling over the waitress to give back the glass.

Pam

[ 08-01-2006: Message edited by: PamM ]


In the old days the host of a 3 Martini lunch would bird dog the restaurant ahead of time and the host's would have no alcohol. The client would loosen up and let it all out.

Nobody ever asks what is in your glass if something is in it.


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Tom Burke
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posted 08-01-2006 06:56 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe this is what a US prosecutir said:

quote:
However, Susan Dohrmann, the lead prosecutor on the case, said the law “that defines operation of a vessel says ‘anyone who is a crew member or licensed individual who is on board.’ There is no limitation to being on duty or off duty.”

My interpretation of this is that all crew members are therefore permanently on-duty, and that all sorts of on-duty restrictions/requirements must apply all the time.


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Globaliser
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posted 08-01-2006 08:26 AM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Burke:
My interpretation of this is that all crew members are therefore permanently on-duty, and that all sorts of on-duty restrictions/requirements must apply all the time.
And I think that your interpretation is shared by those cruise lines which have introduced continuous alcohol limits for all their crew.

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Tom Burke
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posted 08-01-2006 09:57 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
And I think that your interpretation is shared by those cruise lines which have introduced continuous alcohol limits for all their crew.

I'm not familiar with these. How do they work?


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feargus
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posted 08-01-2006 02:01 PM      Profile for feargus   Email feargus   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
it is true that when you are onboard you must be below the legal driving limit with regard alcohol. it doesn't matter if you are on duty or not, an emergency can happen at any time.
in the real world however most people who work at sea are at some point way over the limit. in the not so distant past it was fairly normal for the officers and crew to be drunk as monkeys on a regular basis, times have changed now however and the cruise lines are becoming fairly strict on their alcohol policy.
in this case the Captain seems to have forgotten he was in the U.S. where checks are performed quite often.

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Pascal
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posted 08-01-2006 07:44 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by greybeard:
. Tests found Petridis, 47, with a blood alcohol level as high as 0.181, more than four times the federal maritime limit for operating a ship.

I suppose it's in american measure system. How much does it make in g/l ?


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Ernst
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posted 08-01-2006 08:23 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pascal:

I suppose it's in american measure system. How much does it make in g/l ?


The blood alcohol level is usually given in mg alcohol per 100 ml blood.


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Globaliser
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posted 08-02-2006 07:01 AM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Burke:
I'm not familiar with these. How do they work?
Simple: Stay below x alcohol level at all times of the day and night, every day of your contract. Or get sacked immediately (if you are caught).

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Tom Burke
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posted 08-02-2006 07:35 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Simple: Stay below x alcohol level at all times of the day and night, every day of your contract. Or get sacked immediately (if you are caught).

I think what I was alluding to was not the alcohol levels, but the other requirements: that you mustn't consume any alcohol within X hours before coming on duty. (I've read various reports that say that Celebrity's period is 8 hours, and the the US legislation is 4 hours, but I don't know how accurate those were.)

However, if you can be regarded as being permanently on-duty (see the quote in my earlier post), or subject to be called onto duty at any moment, then you're always within X hours of coming on duty, so you can never drink.

Capt. Petrides was almost certainly in breach of company regulations, but (as I understand it) his argument was that he had last drunk more than 4 hours before his next bridge duty was due to begin, and that by that time his blood alcohol level would have reduced to be within the 40 mg per litre limit. Then he was called to the bridge early (by some hours) by the coastguards, told (in effect) he was now on duty, and immediately busted....


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