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bulbousbow
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posted 06-27-2005 11:21 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Haji-Ioannou: sue me
June 27, 2005

EASYCRUISE founder Stelios-Haji-Ioannou and Carnival Corp chairman Micky Arison are exchanging angry emails after Haji-Ioannou offhandedly called the Costa Magica’s décor 'tacky’ on Sky TV. According to a copy of the emails obtained by Fairplay, Arison chastised Haji-Ioannou for the remark and for “putting out misinformation about our industry”, adding: “Although, based on what I’ve seen of your ship, you’re an expert on what’s tacky.” Haji-Ioannou offered Arison a chance to defend the Magica on the Sky series, and if “that is not enough redress for you and you still believe that my comment was libellous, then feel free to sue me. I am sure everyone will have a lot of fun watching the courts trying to define the meaning of the word ‘tacky’.” Until now, the two executives’ relationship has been cordial, with Arison treating the EasyCruise newcomer to lunch last March, but as Haji-Ioannou now puts it: “I guess we will not be having lunch anytime soon? I suppose my honeymoon in this industry is over and I better prepare for battle.”

Fairplay


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nycruiser
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posted 06-27-2005 11:24 PM      Profile for nycruiser   Email nycruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have to agree. I was just in the Costa Magica last month and it was tacky IMO. It was a nice ship but its very "plasticy". But I knew what to expect. I know that Costa has become the Carnival Cruise Lines of Europe.
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posted 06-28-2005 08:57 AM      Profile for Meldrew of the Seas   Email Meldrew of the Seas   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So Stelios (of easyCruise fame) is calling Costa "Tacky".

Do the words "Pot", "Kettle" and "Black" spring to anyody's mind?

By the way, how do you find the (orange) lifejackets on (equally orange) easyCruise One?


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oslo dutch
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posted 06-28-2005 09:58 AM      Profile for oslo dutch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well Stellios has got a point, I think the new Costa ships are plastic superficial kitsch too and an insult to real italian design. It seems to me they were designed mainly for the American back up market. I would wish Carnival would leave this Vegas kitsch on their side of the Atlantic. Considering QM2 they can do a nice job if they want to.

However, having seen pics of Easyjet, I can't say I like it either....it reminds me of a low cost cross channel ferry.

I am curious to see how this brawl contininues, but Stellios had exactly the same fight with KLM years ago.....


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-28-2005 11:17 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Stellios is just generating publicity.

Carnival, Easycruise are both 'tacky', so what, it sells!


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Corey H.
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posted 06-28-2005 11:24 AM      Profile for Corey H.   Email Corey H.   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the Easycruise is MUCH more tacky than the Costa Magica. Costa Magica in my opinion beats Easycruise in everything.

Corey


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-28-2005 12:35 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cruisincorey13:
I think the Easycruise is MUCH more tacky than the Costa Magica. Costa Magica in my opinion beats Easycruise in everything.

Easycruise is low cost and designed to be minamalist. I doubt if any of the passengers are under any illusions that is anything more than 'basic'.

Costa Magica is not budget and is designed to look 'classy Italian', Carnival style.

At least Easycruise is not pretending to be something it is not.


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Corey H.
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posted 06-28-2005 12:36 PM      Profile for Corey H.   Email Corey H.   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I found Costa to be much less American than Carnival but thats probaly because I am an American, but everyone seemed to be having a great time

-COREY


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sunviking82
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posted 06-28-2005 01:02 PM      Profile for sunviking82     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This from a man who paints a ship orange?
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posted 06-28-2005 01:17 PM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
This from a man who paints a ship orange?

Orange is bold, orange is a statement, orange is ... orange. You may not like orange. But orange is not tacky.

[ 06-28-2005: Message edited by: Tom Burke ]


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posted 06-28-2005 01:20 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with you Malcolm, easyCruise makes no pretentions about what it isn't. I think it's hilarious that these 2 had this banter. Both ships are tacky imo, but serve different purpose, so not comparable.

Pam


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posted 06-28-2005 04:10 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Easycruise is a new approach to run a cruise ship. It might have to much orange in it, but it is for sure not as tasteless and disgusting as most cruise ships are - it`s just very simple.
On the other hand I guess the recently built Costa ships are - from what I have seen on photos and on TV - an extreme example of badly decorated ships - a shame for the Italian shipbuilding tradition.

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posted 06-28-2005 04:17 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with what you all said. COSTA MAGICA and all the "Carnival" Costa ships are tacky and pretends to be Italian when its really Vegas.

EasyCruises are not ashamed to market their product as "low-cost" and minimal. Even the orange is being marketed.

IMO, Stelios won hands down. I wonder what round 2 will look like?


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-28-2005 04:33 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Burke:
You may not like orange. But orange is not tacky.

Many 'tacky' cruise ships combine Orange with Purple.

I rest my case!


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BigUFan
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posted 06-28-2005 04:55 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree. I've seen pix of the interior on the web site, and it wasn't pretty for the most part (I could live with the atrium, but how many people spend their entire cruise there?). Clearly the revenge of Joe Farcus,

[ 06-28-2005: Message edited by: BigUFan ]


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posted 06-28-2005 05:16 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Look out what you say over Orange its an fine color. It unite my country under the Royal house off Orange.

HELIOS he is on his 1000st fight with an industry leader. First KLM and now Carnival.

Someday he found his equal and looses his batlle. O i hope so. He's an iritating little man

Ben.


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sealeg claude
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posted 06-28-2005 06:47 PM      Profile for sealeg claude   Email sealeg claude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi,
It's sad when a man' s only means of attracting
attention, play up his product and reach a market
area is by downing everybody else around him, disdaining other products and antagonize other
players in the same market areas.
As many of you have already alluded to, Haji-Ioannou's reputation precedes him, follows him, and, one day, will be the very source of his commupance.
Sad that, with a wealthy Daddy born before him as his only claim to fame, he would feel so inferior as to only be in a good mood when dragging others down to his level.
IMO anyways....
Arison, at least, did not allow himself to be THAT
derisive of others, and acheived his success primarly on his own clock, not by disdaining everybody else's....Again, my opinion...
Cheers
CG


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cruiseshipluver
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posted 06-28-2005 09:34 PM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
well every since carnival had a hand in Costa u were seeing the proliferation of that extra glitz in especially the new builds...but i am not suppriseed that yall say that costa magia is tacky, if she is then wat about her slightly older twin sister?????
cruiseshipluver

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bulbousbow
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posted 06-28-2005 09:38 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Malcolm wrote:
At least Easycruise is not pretending to be something it is not.

True, but why did Stelios have to make that remark about Costa Magica? I would like to know if anyone other cruise executive has said things like this in the past? I doubt it very much. Stelios is an up-start, he has barely just started in this part of the travel industry and should have a little more respect. I agree with you sealeg claude!

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posted 06-28-2005 10:49 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Ernst wrote:
...an extreme example of badly decorated ships - a shame for the Italian shipbuilding tradition.

We all know who to blame for the interior design.

As for Italian shipbuilding, I doubt this would put any dent in their tradition, just take a look at the mega and super yacht industry and you'll know what I mean, no tackiness there. As for shame, I would rather you have said, shame on Costa Cruises, who (falsely) have to uphold the Italian tradition.

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[ 06-28-2005: Message edited by: bulbousbow ]


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Jonathan
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posted 06-28-2005 11:24 PM      Profile for Jonathan   Author's Homepage   Email Jonathan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think over time things change in apperence. What the italian tradion used to look like might need to be changed. I think they did the interiors of magica and other carnival(costa) ships for the future of what the italian people might look for.

Jonathan


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posted 06-28-2005 11:57 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by cruisintoday14:
I think they did the interiors of magica and other carnival(costa) ships for the future of what the italian people might look for.

You mean what they hope Italians will look for?

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quote:
cruisintoday14 wrote:
I think over time things change in apperence. What the italian tradion used to look like might need to be changed. I think they did the interiors of magica and other carnival(costa) ships for the future of what the italian people might look for.

I agree that tastes over time can and do change, but I think most Italians (and some Europeans) have been relating to Joe Farcus’ interiors for some time. Italians are not (always) as conservative as the northern Europeans in their use of colour and design, Italy is the home of the ‘carnevale’ and things ‘burlesque’, so the Costa (Carnival Corp) newbuild interiors wouldn’t be too surprising or out of place. On the otherside, of course, you have MSC Cruises, who have approached their interior design in a more conservative manner.

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posted 06-29-2005 01:01 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

At least Easycruise is not pretending to be something it is not.[/QB]

Oh yes they do, he have try to set Easy cruise in the cruisemarket as an cruiseline. His product is in no way that. Looking at this company, it's looking to an ferry operator. Only his fleet (1) is not able to transport 1 car.

He talks about a cruiseline and he's not.
You cane board the vessel inn every port, i would say it's another form off ferry transportation.

Ben.


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The Carnival Costas are the worst offenders, if only because they were preceded by ships of such stunning interior design. The pre-carnival ships had smart, chic interiors a world away from the glitz of what came after.
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