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lebelty
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posted 06-21-2004 10:20 AM      Profile for lebelty   Email lebelty   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I got this email today regarding the Indy (as well as the Norway and Big U):

quote:
NORWEGIAN CRUISE LINES: The US flag was officially raised aboard the 83,000-ton Pride of Aloha, the refitted former Norwegian Sky, at San Francisco on June 7th. Home-ported at Honolulu, she is the first US-flag cruise liner since the Patriot and Independence last sailed for American Classic Voyages in the fall of 2001.

And speaking of the 1951-built Independence, there's some news, possibly disappointing news to some. In April 2003, NCL was feeling not just ambitious, but very ambitious. In a single stroke, in a blazing flash of a provocative press release, the Miami-based cruise line, the third largest in North America, announced plans for further new builds, but also temptingly interesting plans to rebuild and restore two idle, but quite aged American ocean liners, the mighty speed champ United States and another former trans-Atlantic icon, the Independence. But little else, rather expectedly, has happened since then. In fact, there has been virtual silence on the subject from both NCL and the ships' actual owners.

The United States, lying at a Philadelphia pier, gets the greater interest, of course, while the Independence has her own quiet limbo, but at San Francisco Bay's Mare Island. Now, there is word that the 683-foot long former American Export and later American Hawaii ship has been booked next month for a turn in a San Francisco dry dock. Rumor is that she is to be prepared for the long, slow voyage across the Pacific, going either to Chinese or Indian scrap merchants. The 53-year-old, twin-stacker has had, in reality, little chance of being revived, if only for her expensive, fuel-hungry, original steam turbines. It would seem therefore that if there are scrappers in her immediate future, they do not want a repeat performance of the final, demolition-bound trip of her sister, the Constitution, which sank while empty and under tow north of Hawaii in the fall of 1997.

The saga of another veteran liner, the 42-year-old Norway, has an added addition: yet another rumor on her future. While still idle at Bremerhaven, a new cruise line based at Quebec, Canada is said to want the ship for an ambitious plan: refit and repair her in France (in fact, at her builders' yard, Chantiers de l'Atlantique), bring her up to 2010 safety standards, then sail the 76,000-tonner as the France and in French Line colors for seasonal Quebec-Le Havre crossings and around-the-world cruises. Alone, such a refit is said to cost $35 million. Again, stay tuned...


Does anyone have other information on this? Confirmation? Discredit?

Thanks,
Tyler

[ 06-21-2004: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


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Maasdam
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posted 06-21-2004 10:59 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Quit some news. Iff true thene indenpendence will go to the scrapyard, and strange it is not a surprice to me. Now waiting what the want to do with the U.S. and Norway. The plans fore Norway looks good buth i doubt that this plan will go ahead. 35 million is quit some money fore a 42 year old ship.
The U.S. i have already say goodbay to here i doubt we ever see here return to active serviceas cruiser ore hotel.

Once again ill wil wait.


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Ðraikar
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posted 06-21-2004 11:33 AM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Hawaii ship has been booked next month for a turn in a San Francisco dry dock. Rumor is that she is to be prepared for the long, slow voyage across the Pacific, going either to Chinese or Indian scrap merchants."

Something about that quote is odd, why put money into a ship to be scrapped and I hear the value of metal is declining. I think the Independence is already able to take a tow to the scrapyard without any small refit in dry-dock.
The Norway news seems kinda fake or just some dream but you never know...


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lebelty
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posted 06-21-2004 05:34 PM      Profile for lebelty   Email lebelty   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
False alarm. Sorry guys.
I got another email today....
quote:
Word I've just received from the proverbial "horse's mouth" (NCL) is
that the rumors of Independence's scrapping are FALSE.

And the maritime world heaves a collective sigh of relief (for now?)

Dan, in a sunny Cold Spring Harbor.......


Sorry again.
tyler


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nevadaflip
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posted 06-21-2004 07:21 PM      Profile for nevadaflip        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just talked with a friend of mine who is with the company that is husbanding the Indy and he tells me that the berth at Mare Island is silting up terribly (almost to the point where the ship is sitting on the bottom) and the ship will be moved to the shipyard to clean up the saltwater intake and other below waterline openings as they were not secured well. (This securing was not done by the husbanding company.)

Not a major problem.

Jerry


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gpcruisedude
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posted 06-21-2004 10:08 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So I would assume that they will move the Indy when she comes out of dry dock to another berth?? But where?
Would they sail her for Freeport and lay her up their or maybe take her to some other place?? I thought maybe they would put her back near the Reserve Fleet at Suisin Bay!

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cruisemole
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posted 06-22-2004 04:17 AM      Profile for cruisemole   Email cruisemole   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"While still idle at Bremerhaven, a new cruise line based at Quebec, Canada is said to want the ship for an ambitious plan: refit and repair her in France (in fact, at her builders' yard, Chantiers de l'Atlantique), bring her up to 2010 safety standards, then sail the 76,000-tonner as the France and in French Line colors for seasonal Quebec-Le Havre crossings and around-the-world cruises. Alone, such a refit is said to cost $35 million."

35 million? There is no way you could bring the Norway up tp SOLAS 2010, re-engine, and redecorate her to be competitive, for 'only' 35m$.


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Maasdam
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posted 06-22-2004 05:46 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by cruisemole:
"While still idle at Bremerhaven, a new cruise line based at Quebec, Canada is said to want the ship for an ambitious plan: refit and repair her in France (in fact, at her builders' yard, Chantiers de l'Atlantique), bring her up to 2010 safety standards, then sail the 76,000-tonner as the France and in French Line colors for seasonal Quebec-Le Havre crossings and around-the-world cruises. Alone, such a refit is said to cost $35 million."

35 million? There is no way you could bring the Norway up tp SOLAS 2010, re-engine, and redecorate her to be competitive, for 'only' 35m$.


Even thene it's to much money fore a 42 year old ship. How historical such vessel is is to much.


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