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PHILPKH923
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posted 10-05-2003 06:47 PM      Profile for PHILPKH923   Email PHILPKH923   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Using the NYC and Golden Princess web cams, I watched her leave NY Port and make her way to sea.

Question! I would like to know at what point on the outbound harbor sail does the pilot leave the ship?


It was kinda eerie to watch, as the people on deck in the forecastle were bundled up against the cold and the light was dwindling as the sun set. I felt the need for a hot cuppa cocoa and a warm sweater.

But I wish I was on her! She was headed to Halifax on a Canadian cruise, returns next friday or saturday to NYC.


...KenH

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gohaze
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posted 10-05-2003 07:16 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Pilot Station is at the Ambrose Light.
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posted 10-05-2003 08:04 PM      Profile for PHILPKH923   Email PHILPKH923   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
gohaze said:

quote:
The Pilot Station is at the Ambrose Light

Thanks gohaze, I, mistakenly, was thinking sooner than that.


...KenH


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posted 10-05-2003 08:26 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You are partly right as there is a 'Docking Pilot' and the 'Harbour Pilot'. The Docking Pilot gets off as soon as the vessel is clear and leaves on one of the tugs. They in fact used to be employed by the tug companies - maybe they still are - anyone know?
....peter

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petede
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posted 10-05-2003 09:15 PM      Profile for petede     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe that they are employed by the Sandy Hook Pilot Association (I know for sure that the harbor pilots are). I will ask next time I see one.
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posted 10-05-2003 11:23 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here in Japan, Port(Harbour) Pilots and Bay Pilots has different duties
Port(Harbour) Pilots has limits to navigate within Port Limits.

For Example, If you enter Tokyo Bay when thourgh Uraga Channel, Bay Pilots embark at Their Pilot Station and escort to Port area then Port Pilots embark for duties within Port Limits.

I am now trying to find Port Series No.5 pubished and sold by the U.S.Army Corps of Engineering for full description for the Port of New York.

If I can find the description on the net, I will post here.


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posted 10-06-2003 10:05 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Petede....their site says they take the vessel to off the pier where the tugs take over.
So it looks like the docking pilot still works for the tug company. Must be a lucrative business.
...peter

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posted 10-06-2003 10:42 PM      Profile for petede     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know that most ship docking in NY are done without tugs. I have witnessed the Carnival Destiny attempt to dock several times, before the captain tried to shoehorn it in, hitting the dock and denting the ship in the process because the Captain did not want to pay for tugs or a pilot. I believe that it is not mandatory for a docking pilot, but is a option during times of high current. I could be wrong, and will attempt to get a definitive answer.
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soundsailor
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posted 10-07-2003 12:23 AM      Profile for soundsailor   Email soundsailor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The MS Nordic Empress does not use tugs in New York harbour, although during high winds, she will have tugs standing by.
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Ocean Liners
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posted 10-07-2003 05:46 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Below are Descriptions from United States Coast Pilot Chapter 11

New York Harbour and Approaches

(119) Foreign vessels and U.S. vessels under register entering or departing from the Port of New York and New Jersey must employ a pilot licensed by the State of New York or New Jersey. Enrolled vessels must have on board or employ a pilot licensed by the Federal Government.

(120) Pilotage service for vessels entering the Port of New York and New Jersey through Lower Bay and
intra-harbor movements is available from the United New York New Jersey Sandy Hook Pilot Association,
201 Edgewater Street, Staten Island, NY 10305, telephone
718 448-3900, FAX 718 876-8055 e–mail:
pilotoffice@sandyhookpilots.com.

(121) The pilot boat maintains station in the triangular-shaped cruising area west of Ambrose Light. All traffic passes through a precautionary area transiting to the pilot station and most vessels choose to approach the pilot station triangle by passing to the south of Ambrose Light. Traffic within the precautionary area may consist of vessels making the transition between operating in Ambrose or Sandy Hook Channel and one of the traffic lanes. Mariners are advised to exercise extreme care in navigating within this area. The pilot boats have a black hull and white superstructure, with the name PILOT NO. 1 or PILOT NO. 2 in yellow on each side; and fly a blue flag.


Whinin port of New York Area, Please Refer to Port Series No.5 pubished and sold by the U.S.Army Corps of Engineering


Below are Descriptions from Atlantic Pilotage Regulations of Canada
There are a few exceptions

Compulsory Pilotage Areas

3. The areas described in the schedule are hereby established as the compulsory pilotage areas within the region of the Authority.

Ships Subject to Compulsory Pilotage

4. (1) The following ships or classes of ships are subject to compulsory pilotage within the areas referred to in section 3:

(a) Canadian registered ships of more than 1,500 gross registered tons, except

(i) Canadian government ships,

(ii) ships employed in catching or processing fish or other living resources of the sea, and

(iii) ferries that operate on a regular schedule between two terminals, manned by

(A) Canadian masters and officers, or

(B) masters and officers who are permanent residents;

(b) ships not registered in Canada, except

(i) pleasure yachts of less than 500 gross registered tons, and

(ii) tugs of less than 500 gross registered tons, manned by Canadian masters and officers;

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Complusory Pilotage in Japanese waters

Shipmasters who wish to navigate in compulsory pilotage area without pilot shall have pilotage certificate.

Pilotage certificates for the fore-mentioned compulsory pilotage areas are given to masters meeting the following requirements:

Masters serving in vessels of Japanese registry or vessels flying flags other than Japanese flags but chartered (time-chartered vessels to be excluded) by a person or persons who are entitled to own Japanese flag vessels.

Masters recognized by the competent District Transport Bureau to have been engaged in navigation in the pilotage district in question, aboard vessel to which the *gross tonnage restrictions (See below) within such particular compulsory pilotage area apply, four times or more (in the case of the Kanmon compulsory pilotage area, six times of more).

[Note] Tonnage restrictions.
Masters wishing to have certificate available for:

vessel up to 20,000 GRT shall have experience aboard vessel less than 20,000 GRT.
vessel more than 20,000 GRT shall have experience aboard vessel more than 20,000 GRT

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