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Fairsky
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posted 06-19-2000 04:48 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have been reading Phillip Dawson's new book "Cruise Ships, an Evolution in Design". It is a great book about the layout and design of these ships over the decades. It got me thinking- what have been the most influential ships, based on design, and why. Here are my picks:

1. Sovereign of the Seas. She was the first ship to use a central atrium in her design with elevators like a hotel. This design element has been common on nearly every new cruise ship since.

2. Royal Princess. She was the first to have large numbers of balcony staterooms. Today ships are designed with deck after deck of balconys- an idea that was almost impossible to imagine 15 years ago.

Future trend setters may include Voyager of the Seas. Time will tell how influential her new "royal promenade" idea and interior cabins with bay windows will be. She is definately new and original, but will she set a dominant trend in the future of cruise ship design? So far no other cruise line has ordered ships with a similar design.


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Peter P
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posted 06-19-2000 05:41 PM      Profile for Peter P     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Promenades will be used often I think. Theyll wet more cabins whit windows and MORE MONEY

ps. Silja Line(ferryes) had these promenades before Royal Caribean


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gohaze
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posted 06-19-2000 07:26 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi...I think you have to go back to 1966 when Knut Kloster came out with NCL's Sunward. The first ship really designed for warm weather cruising only. All the previous ones were at most dual purpose, even the mighty Caronia could do crossings. From the Sunward up to the latest 'whatever of the Seas' is only progression....peter
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-20-2000 04:42 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the conversion of the SS France to a cruise ship was a turning point for the Industry. She effectively became the first mega-cruise ship. Up until then, the industry thought that passengers would not enjoy cruising with nearly 2000 other guests!

The Norway offered NCL 'economies of scale' and proved that giant ships could operate profitably in the Caribbean and Europe. She started the trend that has given birth to Destiny, Grand and Voyager.

Lets also not forget that the QE2 was a hybrid, Ocean Liner meets Cruise ship.

Peter is right, voyager is not the first ship to have inside cabins with windows..she just has them on a greater scale. In the future I think we will see ships with no inside cabins and all external cabins having verandas.

[This message has been edited by Malcolm (edited 06-22-2000).]


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gohaze
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posted 06-20-2000 06:41 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm....Royal Princess blt '84...no inside cabins....peter
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Rex
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posted 06-20-2000 09:19 AM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Skye, what about Carnival? They have been very influential and did they not start the trend of the stubby hull (or was that RVL) and overpowering superstructure (which they filled with revenue-producing cabins, bars and lounges).
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NAL
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posted 06-20-2000 07:40 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Please do NOT give Royal Princess the
credit for all outside cabins. That honor
goes to the Kungsholm [1953] of Swedish-
American Line which was the first to have
all outside cabins. She was a beauty of a
ship which led to the even nicer Gripsholm
[1957] and the Kungsholm [1966].

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Grant
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posted 06-20-2000 11:25 PM      Profile for Grant   Email Grant   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm hoping that the advent of azipod propulsion such as introduced to the cruise industry by Elation, will lead to a return of a design feature so sadly missing in most new construction. The engine room and thus the stack were located aft in order to reduce the shafting distance to the props. Now that podded propulsion is in vogue, perhaps they will move the machinery space forward, and once again construct ships with the wonderful stern terraces common years ago. The sunken glassed in"well" that usually holds the midship pool area (necessary to protect pax from winds), removes the pax from connection with the sea. Gone are the days of lounging on deck around the pool and watching the wake disappear over the horizon. The previous Rotterdam,HAL N class vessels,QE2,Victoria and few others spring to mind as still offering this wonderful nautical vista.
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Peter P
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posted 06-21-2000 07:29 AM      Profile for Peter P     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
About "promenades" a few pic's

Just wild(?) plans.
http://intro.masa-yards.fi/viewimage.asp?name=E%5Fsuper%2520wide%5Fopen%2520atrium%2Ejpg

http://intro.masa-yards.fi/viewimage.asp?name=E%5Fsuperwide%5Faqua%2Ejpg

http://intro.masa-yards.fi/viewimage.asp?name=E%5Fpearl%2520of%2520miami%2Ejpg


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-21-2000 08:52 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think that the best place for a ships main resaurant is in the middle of the ship, rather than at the stern, like most modern ships. This would make it much more stable in heavy seas, and less prone to vibration from the screws.

The stern could once again become a thing of beauty!


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Fairsky
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posted 06-21-2000 08:52 AM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The loss of open aft decks is not due to design preferences- but economics. Ships today are more boxy because cruise lines want to fit as many money producing cabins on a hull as possible. By filling the aft decks with cabins all the way to the edge of the hull they are maximizing the profitability of the ship. For that reason do not expect to see a return of open aft decks, even if podded propulsion makes it possible.

I agree that the Norway was influential- but only for her size. She was the first mega-ship to enter the cruise market. But her actual design was that of an Atlantic liner- not a cruise ship. As for Carnival. Their ships really introduced the idea of the ship as a destination unto itself. They completely divorced the ship's interior design from the sea- and created Las Vegas style 'theme' ships. One may also argue that Carnival's Fantasy-class ships are influential designs simply because they built 8 of them- and are the backbone of the largest cruise fleet in the world.

I would like to add 2 more suggestions. First is Oriana because she was the frist ship designed and built specifically for the European cruise market. And SuperStar Leo. She was designed with the Asian market in mind- offering cabin layouts and public areas suited to Asian tastes. We are currently seeing cruising become and international business with ships created for very specific markets- not just a North America.


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NAL
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posted 06-21-2000 10:10 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Skyej.......
I am curious about your comment about
SuperStar Leo.....what is it about the
cabins and public spaces that makes the
ship appealing to Asian tastes. Is it
something beyond the decor???

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Barryboat
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posted 06-21-2000 12:43 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tropicale was the first Carnival newbuild, and actually has a similar layout as the Fantasy class ships. I think they just expanded on the tropicale design.

Oceanic was arguably the first cruise ship designed specifically for cruising, and pioneered a design with a pool deck high on top of the ship. And although other ships had magrodomes before the Oceanic, the magrodomes on Oceanic were unique. I would say that considering the layout of "the modern Cruise ship", the Oceanic is at the top of the list as far as being influential.


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Fairsky
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posted 06-22-2000 08:29 AM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
About SuperStar Leo. First, designers added numerous dinning choices not normally found on a ship to suit the asian market. Including chinese and japanese food. The layout of public rooms are also specfically disigned for the Asian market. Also, some passenger accomodations were designed very differently than normal. Some feature 2 rooms- a day room with a bar, sofa (which holds third and fourth berths) karaoke equipment and a balcony. And a second room with a bed and bath area- with no wall between the bedroom and bath. Plus a jacuzzi right in the bedroom. Finally, the decor of the ship is obviously intended to match Asian tastes. As the designer says, "Color wise, Asians don't go for washed colors, the light blues, the Scandinavian touch. So on this ship, we used very powerful, very bright and clean colors- very deep blues, yellows, reds, greens."

There are also some less obvious Asian touches. Like the artwork, a mahjong room, karaoke bars, and lion statues at the entrance way (to keep out bad spirits) and two pots (to keep profits from flowing off the ship)- as the designer puts it.

=All of this means that if SuperStar Leo were ever to sail the North American or European market the ship would require significant changes in design and layout of both public and private areas. She was clearly designed with Asia in mind- the first cruise ship to do so.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-22-2000 10:29 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Likewise, P&O have designed 'Aurora' exclusively for the British market. Research has shown that us Brits like a more traditional maritime décor featuring elegant furnishings and natural woods. We certainly do not tend to like Las Vegas style glitz and mirrors! We also like smaller more intimate public spaces, rather than vast ones.

Aurora has a higher than average speed and good sea keeping ability, in order to rush British passengers from Southampton to the sunshine of the Mediterranean as quickly as possible.

I really like the idea of Cruising on a ship that offers a different 'cultural' experience. Many of the worlds Cruise ships offer an 'American' experience. The idea of cruising on a ship offering an 'Asian' experience sounds fun to me.

Skyej, you a right about 'sqaure ships: "A 2 per cent increase in accommodation on a 1400-berth ship, will lead to an $1-1.5 million increase in income, over the average life of a ship".

[This message has been edited by Malcolm (edited 06-22-2000).]


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Terry
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posted 06-22-2000 02:41 PM      Profile for Terry   Email Terry   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm

What you say is true up to a point. But the history of US influences in the UK seems littered with examples of initial condemnation followed somewhat later by mass acceptance.

All those features that have become successful in P&O's Princess ships are now making it to the P&O's UK and probably their other European Fleets. Attriums, balconies, alternate dining, 24-hour dining, Pizza places, sidewalk cafes etc etc.

The only thing that hasn't caught on is the huge casinos and even there they seem to be enlarging them. AURORA's seemed larger that ORIANA's to me.

When STAR PRINCESS became ARCADIA the biggest changes involved the Oval Pub and it was a great success, but AURORA'S Champion's bar would not be out of place in the US market.

Terry Donegan


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-22-2000 07:22 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Terry, yes American culture is being adopted throughout the world.
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gohaze
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posted 06-23-2000 06:47 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NAL...have a look at www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/7894/index.html ....peter
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desirod7
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posted 05-08-2001 08:56 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The 1947 Caronia-Green Goddess was the first purpose built cruise ship. Her interiors were first cousin to the QE-1.

Do not get me started on the mankind's greatest achievement of the state of the art in hybrid oceanliner/cruiseship design: Canberra and Rembrandterdam


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Glencoe
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Correct me if Iam wrong but wasn't the "Empress Of Britain" of 1931 built as a dual purpose Trans Atlantic/Cruise ship?In winter they shipped two of her props and ran slower to conserve fuel.
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