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Aredahl
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posted 12-25-1998 02:38 AM      Profile for Aredahl   Email Aredahl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm thinking seriously about taking a transatlantic voyage on the QE 2 on 12/99, but starting to hear good things about the USS Norway. It'll be my first cruise ever and I've always loved old, traditional type ships. I admit, after seeing the movie Titanic, I fell in love, yet again, with the old-time elegance of these cruise ships. I'm looking for some input, both good and bad, about the difference between the QE 2 and the Norway. In Titanic terms, I'll probably only be able to afford 'steerage' rates, so please don't give advice about how wonderful the suites are or how much caviar each ship offers! :0) Thanx!

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 12-25-1998 01:34 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi, I’ve recently cruised on a modern Mega ship, the Mercury. Although she was awesome, clean and had excellent facilities, she had more in common with a shopping mall, than the Titanic. I’ve not cruised on either the QE2 or the Norway, but I’ve toured them both at Southampton this year.

I was not particularly impressed with the décor of the QE2, it's all very 1960 ish…not a great period for design. However, everyone claims that the service and food is second to none. However, she was different classes of restaurant depending how much you pay for your cabin. The QE2 is not cheap, unless you are prepared to travel in the winter – when discounts are available, but the Atlantic does its worse.

I was very impressed with the Norway’s Art Deco interiors. I also like her shape better than the QE2. She feels more historic to me than the QE2. However, she is a four star ship, not five…so you would expect the service not to be quite so high as the QE2. She also has generally cheaper fares than the QE2.

You pays your money, and takes your choice. Email me for more info:

oliver01@globalnet.co.uk


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Aredahl
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posted 12-25-1998 09:54 PM      Profile for Aredahl   Email Aredahl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the feedback! I am going for the atmosphere or ambience of the ship and I'm not sure if the 1960's style of decor is up to the Titanic standard. Is there any ship still around that has such an elegant, old-fashioned atmosphere or did that idea sink along with the Titanic?
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Elizabeth
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posted 12-26-1998 04:11 AM      Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We have cruised on the QE2 three times and are about to cruise on her again next month.You would probably find the historic Cunard Heritage Trail on board very interesting.This ship is very special - it has an ambience all its own. Most of the passengers have cruised on her many, many times. They keep coming back because it has a special "feel" that other ships lack. It really is like going back in history. Do not worry about "steerage" as all the cabins are very comfortable. The meals and service are excellent whether you eat in the Queens Grill or in the Mauretania.

Cunard made a short video of the QE2 after the refit in 1999. If you ring the company they may still have a copy that they could lend you. It shows quite a bit of the ship and interviews a number of passengers who cruise on her all the time.


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Patrick
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posted 12-26-1998 06:05 AM      Profile for Patrick     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is the German ship MS Deutschland.
The difference is that the MS Deutschland is a brandnew ship but it does not look at all like one of today's modern ships. She was build totally in the style of ships like they were around 1920. The whole interior decor and ambiance let you feel like being back in the years of the great ocean liners. As well her exterior design is classic, the ship looks like a real ship and not like a floating Las Vegas hotel.
The MS Deutschland is 22000 tons big and provides a very familiar ambiance.
If you really like ships like the Titanic, the MS Deutschland would be the perfect ship for you. And remember: Because it was build in 1997/98, it has all the latest security and safety equipment which is needed to fulfil the rules of SOLAS 2000.
The MS Deutschland belongs to the German "Peter Deilmann Reederei"
Address: Am Hafensteig 17-19
D-23730 Neustadt in Holstein
Tel: +49 4561 396-0
Fax: +49 4561 9157
You can get every further information or brochures there.
The ship's cruising area is all around the world.

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joe at travelpage
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posted 12-27-1998 01:38 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Having sailed on both QE2 and Norway, I'd suggest trying Norway first. Don't get me wrong - I really like QE2 - she looks like a ship and has great deck space where you can read, relax or just watch the world go by. Service in the Grill-class dining rooms is first class and the food is great. Nothing compares to arriving in New York harbor early in the morning after a Transatlantic crossing (although leaving in the afternoon isn't bad either). Unfortunately, unless you can afford Queens Grill or Princess Grill, you end up paying a lot of money for a level of service you can get else where for less. That's why I'd suggest you start with a trip on the Norway. It will probably be more affordable and you can get a larger cabin for less than you'd spend on QE2.

In addition, if you want to sail with others trying to capture the spirit of the ocean liners, you are more likely to run into them on one of Norway's crossings since she only makes a few trips across the Atlantic each year and is usually packed with folks like yourself. Since QE2 still maintains a regular schedule of crossings she will usually be carrying a more diverse crowd.

If you are really interested in the history of either ship try getting a copy of the original deckplans and compare the layout of the ship when she entered service to the layout today. For the Norway, look for a deckplan for the France in the early 1960's. If you compare it to the deckplans you find in NCL's brochures you can see which cabins and lounges were originally First Class and which were designated Tourist Class. It's interesting to walk around the ship looking for signs of the past. Every once in a while you can spot a sign in French and if the sun is hitting the bow of the Norway just right you can still see the outline of the where the letters spelling out FRANCE used to be.

For QE2 look for a deckplan from 1969 or the early 1970's. Notice how the Queens Grill didn't even exist when the ship first entered service. It was added later in the space where a lounge was previously. The intimate Princess Grill (originally the Grill Room) is the only restaurant that hasn't changed since the ship entered service.

You'll probably have a great time on either ship.


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Joe at PwC
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posted 12-28-1998 04:39 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of course, there's also Renaissance's new R1, with perhaps the most beautiful interior of any new ship I've seen yet, but the problem there is you're looking at serious money.

Check out the December issue of Porthole for a few pictures of her interior. In a word, wow!


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HarryBJ
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posted 01-25-1999 08:15 AM      Profile for HarryBJ   Email HarryBJ   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I loved the Norway on our 3/98 Caribbean cruise. She is to be refurbished 4/99, so should be in great shape for a 12/99 cruise. Also should be much less expensive than the QE2.
One warning: "steerage" cabins on the Norway are REALLY small (about 85 sq. ft.). I'd recommend trying to spring for a better cabin than that. The best bargains on the ship are the category B and C cabins on the Fjord Deck. They have obstructed views, but some of them are just partly obstructetd. And they're big, nice rooms - suites actually, just like the S2 cabins on the Pool Deck (except for the view).

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DCera
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posted 02-11-1999 05:27 PM      Profile for DCera   Email DCera   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Our whole family did a European cruise on the Norway last fall and she is a really beautiful ship. She also rides very smooth in rough water which is a plus in my book. On the negative side, the lower level cabins are beyond tiny and the food is cafeteria quality. I like everything about NCL except their food which really detracts from their product. I went to Alaska on Cunard's now retired Sagafjord and had the most wonderful cruise of my life. Top notch all the way, but we did pay $$$$$$ for it. If it's the cruise experience you are after try Cunard. If it's the ports of call you are most interested in, try NCL. Good Luck!
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Guest
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posted 03-17-2000 01:08 AM      Profile for Guest        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
QE2 VS Norway... Well QE2 is better looking on the out side to start with, and then she rates 5+ stars in BERLITZ where Norway only rates 4 stars. QE2 is very UN 1960's today. She has had over 10 times her building cost spent on her since the 60's. She has a luxurious ambiance like that of Titanic, decorated with dark and light-woods - like Titanic. As far as I know Norway is more of a Caribbean cruise ship, where as QE2 is an Ocean Liner. Norway may have been the France but she has changed a lot... I would cruise on Norway mainly because of her history.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-17-2000 05:36 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Its all a matter of opinion! I personally think that the Norway looks better in terms of her 'lines' than the QE2...shes longer and has two funnels.

I have saw the QE2 and the Norways interiors two years ago, and the QE2 still has a some ugly 60's fittings. The Norway still has much of her Art Deco style. Certainly for me, the Norway had more of a 'Titanic' feel than the 'QE2' - but of course neither ship really resembles the ill fated vessel.

Yes, the food and service is said to be better on the QE2, if you pay enough. The old British 'Class System' is alive and well on the QE2!

Malcolm, London.


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mcmarya
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posted 03-21-2000 08:25 AM      Profile for mcmarya   Email mcmarya   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We cruised on the Norway a couple of years ago and found, when booking, that cabins on the Norway are not uniform in size. We booked really early and managed to get the biggest cabin and highest deck available in the category we chose. So, though many of the cabins are very small, others are ok--it just depends. We enjoyed the feel of being on an oceangoing vessel. And, there are still remnants of the original decor here and there. There is much more deck space than on newer ships and the walking/jogging track is terrific. It goes all around the deck and is mostly shaded. We are cruising on a newer ship next because of the itiinerary we want and know we will miss many things about the Norway.
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gizmo
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posted 03-21-2000 09:28 AM      Profile for gizmo   Email gizmo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with both HarryBJ and mcmarya about the cabins on the Norway. Be very carefull what you book. The same Cat cabins are not all the same size. I have stayed on pool deck (S2). They are nice. As HarryBJ stated the same stateroom layout is available (I think at a lower price) with obstructive views (lifeboats). You get a love seat, chair, coffe table, 2 beds that face the big picture windows (there are 3 or 4) and decent closet/drawer space. There is a dresser and mirror at one end of the room and the bathroom has a tub. The one advantage to pool deck is you only have one deck to go up to International and avoid the elevators, which can take forever. Although the rooms are on pool deck there is very little trafic. There are only outside cabins, and everyone cuts through the casino and photo area. I have stayed in the same room on 4 cruises which was very close to the casino entrance and never heard any noise. These rooms are well insulated from sound. Viking deck has some strange shaped rooms and some with upper/lower only, also if you are a large person, you may not fit in the shower. Avoid it.
Good Luck choosing your ship!

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Glencoe
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posted 03-21-2000 02:21 PM      Profile for Glencoe   Email Glencoe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have only taken one cruise, so far, but it was on the Norway and my wife and I stayed in an A cabin on Viking Deck. The room still had what appeared to be the original fixtures from the SS France including a mosaic tile over the bathtub/shower. The room was amidship and had three portholes. The trip was fantastic and even though I normally only sleep five or six hours a night I was so relaxed I seldom slept less than ten hours.I realize by now your trip is over I would strongly suggest the Norway as her future is in such doubt.

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nathan
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posted 03-21-2000 03:26 PM      Profile for nathan     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've sailed on both, and they're very different ships. The Norway does have more of a transatlantic feel than the QE2, but the QE2 has more of a luxury liner feel. It would be interesting to hear from someone who who sailed on the France, because I'd bet these gave each other a run for the money in the 60s.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-21-2000 03:45 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I may be stating the obvious:

By the nature of their tapering hull which was designed for the rigors of the North Atlantic, Ocean liners have cabins of differing sizes. Modern cruise ship have uniform cabins because their hull is designed around the accommodation. Hull performance is not so important to today's fair weather ships.

Additionally, ships like the SS France (Norway) usually had three classes of accommodation as well as two or more dining rooms, divided into the classes.

It's not easy to get a traditional Ocean Liner experience, a large stateroom with picture windows and balconies, plus all the modern conveniences!



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vulcania
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posted 03-24-2000 03:32 AM      Profile for vulcania   Email vulcania   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
FYI - the FRANCE was a TWO class liner... First Class (500 pax capacity) and Tourist (1,500). Her interiors back then were an acquired taste, I like her much better as the NORWAY...though they could take that dreadful Sports Illustrated Cafe right off.. Of the two ships, I'd rather go transAtlantic in a suite in the NORWAY than in any cabin or suite in the QE2 and have...twice. Long live the NORWAY!
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posted 03-24-2000 05:42 AM      Profile for Guest        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All of QE2's "60's" deco has been removed in the last refit - 1999 and she now features wood fittings, crystal chandeliers in all restaurants as well as fresh flowers in all rooms, new carpets, linen, bed spreads, curtains in fact apart from the Queens Room PRE 1999 all the '60's deco had been removed in the 1994 refit. QE2 is a very elegant and beautiful ship in side and out. QE2's cabins are all nice One Deck to Five Deck, and the suites on Boat and Sun deck are beautiful, and I was very very lucky to get a peek at the Grand Suite (Queen Mary) on Signal Deck which is just magnificent!

Norway looks nice out side (Not as nice as QE2 in my opinion) but she still is a good-looking ship. Norway is however as far as I have heard a little run down – a little spent on her could bring her up to Luxury standard.

Of cause I would prefer to go on QE2 again, but I would cruise on Norway for her historical value.

I don't really know why we are comparing these two great ships – it is a matter of opinion, they are both great ships, both are proper liners – with rich histories.

LONG LIVE THE LINERS – LONG LIVE QE2 and NORWAY.


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Barryboat
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posted 03-24-2000 01:24 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've cruised on the Norway and Crossed on the QE-2. The Norway certainly has many of her original fixtures and fittings here and there, but I think her interiors look better today than as the France...interiors are more inviting and comfortable. (except for the Sport Bar where Checkers use to be)

The one thing I thing the Norway lacks is "energy". As the France, she had all her speed, there was an excitement or exhiliaration about being onboard, there was a "feel" about the ship when she was at her trans-Atlantic speeds, which is missing on the Norway. Today Norway seems to drag from port to port in a lazy dream. That certain comfort unique to a trans-Atlantic crossing seems to be missing, even when Norway does a trans-Atlantic crossing.

For those who sailed on Norway trans-Atlantic, perhaps you could verify or deny this theory???


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NAL
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posted 03-24-2000 03:25 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BRAVO Barryboat......

You could not have said it better. There
was something so special about "Le France"
at speed on a crossing.....the wind, the
wake, Joseph tucking you in a deck chair.
She was somewhat like a racing greyhound..
...and with that unique "Transat" atmos-
phere she was indeed very special.

I love QE2, but I have never felt that
"je ne sais quoi" that was aboard France.
Perhaps it was something in her movement
through the water too that was exciting...


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vulcania
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posted 03-26-2000 02:53 PM      Profile for vulcania   Email vulcania   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Energy? The NORWAY still has energy...even with but two of her four original screws... we made 25 knots for a couple of days...pretty exhilhirating!
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