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Cambodge
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posted 10-26-2009 04:52 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is well-known on these pages that Cruise Lines which regularly serve Alaskan Ports have some mighty spiffy private railway cars which are operated on shore excursions on their behalf. I assume these cars are proprietary and cars which serve, and are emblazoned with, the logos of HAL do not serve Celebrity etc.

I also know that the White Pass and Yukon special train serves ships which show up in Skagway. I also note that a White Pass steam powered excursion train is sometimes operated.

I am looking North on my 2010 cruise agenda, and would appreciate guidance (and photos?) of what rolling stock is available for what trips?


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posted 10-26-2009 07:52 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cambodge:
It is well-known on these pages that Cruise Lines which regularly serve Alaskan Ports have some mighty spiffy private railway cars which are operated on shore excursions on their behalf. I assume these cars are proprietary and cars which serve, and are emblazoned with, the logos of HAL do not serve Celebrity etc.

I also know that the White Pass and Yukon special train serves ships which show up in Skagway. I also note that a White Pass steam powered excursion train is sometimes operated.

I am looking North on my 2010 cruise agenda, and would appreciate guidance (and photos?) of what rolling stock is available for what trips?


We took the train from Anchorage to Seward and booked through the cruise line and was a private charter. It was a lovely trip with good company and good food. The rail stops right up to the ships and a very short walk.

Be sure to fly into Anchorage at least 24 hours before departure and overnight at a hotel. RCL Celebrity have arrangements with Marriott. Anchorage itself looks like New Jersey except for the jagged peaks in the background.


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dmwnc1
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posted 10-27-2009 01:14 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I always recommended doing the land portion first. That way you get all the train-to-lodge hopscotching, packing and unpacking done first and out of the way, then enjoy the relaxing week-long cruise afterwards, then a flight home from Seattle or Vancouver. That usually makes it a Southbound cruise. The other way around makes for a somewhat stressful end to a cruise and a very long flight back from Anchorage.

I think picking an Alaska Cruise-Tour inland portion based on the lodge accomodations would be more important than which had the nicer rolling stock in their rail fleet. All three (Celebrity, HAL, and Princess) have very nice double-decker, giant domed rail cars. All three cruise lines rail cars are hooked together to the same engine and travel the same path. And all three serve meals based on the cruise lines food suppliers, yet while eating all three have the same views out the rail cars. I would recommend focusing on the lodge aspect, location of the lodge in proximity to Denali (or whereever you are), and the amenities and tours the lodge/cruise line offers. The trains are very nice no matter which one you pick, but you wont be sleeping on them!

With that said, I would pick Princess. They just have superior lodge accomodations over the other two, which at times just use regular hotels, sometimes far away from the action. And make sure the tour spend 2 nights at Denali. Fairbanks is good for one day (two if you can spare the time), and the Riverboat cruise are a must.


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posted 10-27-2009 01:31 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PS....I forgot about the WPYRR in Skagway. There are often two departures (one in the morning, one in the afternoon) and each train can consist of upwards of 13 or more passenger cars (depending on the number of ships in port) coupled to 2 engines. The morning excursion may often be enveloped by low lying clouds of fog obsuring the view that may burn off by time the afternoon train departs.

I have done the WPYRR trip 3 times (all afternoon) and enjoyed it emmensley. All the cruise lines offer the excursion and can be booked through the shore excursion desk on the ship, which I would recommend, unless you know for sure you are the only ship in town that day and you have the train to yourselves.

Skagway is a very very small tourist trap (I mean town) and has little to offer so depending on the length of time your are there you can plan on two shore excursions. After my first visit to Skagway I would just get off the ship, go into town and eat a fat pancake breakfast at the local restaurant, walk around or head back for my first shore excursion, come back for lunch, do the train trip, then get ready for dinner.

Other shore excursions I have done in Skagway inlcuded the Liarsville Salmon Bake (did this one twice I enjoyed it so much, great food and a giant! dog if he is still alive), and the Eagle Preserve Wildlife River Adventure by jetboat (what a hoot!).


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Frank X. Prudent
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posted 10-28-2009 08:29 PM      Profile for Frank X. Prudent   Email Frank X. Prudent   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Celebrity chartered Alaska R.R. train which I was on last September was quite nice. The trip to or from Seward and the Anchorage Airport's A.R.R. Station is certainly a delightful way to travel to or fro.The cost was $100.00 per person and included luggage handling and bus transfers between the train station and the downtown Marriott. Except for the club car, each car of the train's consist was the same, and was A.R.R.'s own rolling stock. Each car being more like a diner than a traditional coach. Seating was assigned in restaurant like booths on either side of the aisle for four. Each car was clean and had a small kitchen area plus two lavatories. Although only one level, it had a glass dome over the seating area similiar to the second level of a dome car.

Alaska R.R. offers it's own daily service between the two towns too. That service is not as convenient for the cruise traveller though, but for the rail fan may be of greater interest. These trains offer two levels of service with second class being less costly than the charter's one class fare. This service starts and ends downtown and not at the airport or cruise docks. I can not comment on the rolling stock other than what I read on the Alaska R.R. web-site. Also first class service here is more costly than the cruise line charter, and it appears to be in two level dome cars.

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Cambodge
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posted 11-05-2009 06:20 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
YES, but!!

"All three cruise lines rail cars are hooked together to the same engine and travel the same path."

This cannot be so! Do not the cruise liners arrive at differing ports on differing schedules. There would be an unholy mess if Celebrity, Holland-America, Regent etc all show up at the same ports with mega-loads of Pax, at the same time! How then can their cars all travel on the same RR schedule? Or do I misinterpret?


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Cambodge
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posted 11-05-2009 06:22 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
YES, but!!

"All three cruise lines rail cars are hooked together to the same engine and travel the same path."

This cannot be so! Do not the cruise liners arrive at differing ports on differing schedules. There would be an unholy mess if Celebrity, Holland-America, Regent etc all show up at the same ports with mega-loads of Pax, at the same time! How then can their dedicated cars all travel on the same RR schedule? Or do I misinterpret?

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desirod7
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posted 11-05-2009 09:05 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cambodge:
YES, but!!

"All three cruise lines rail cars are hooked together to the same engine and travel the same path."


Celebrity chartered the train for our particular cruise. There were many passengers who did a land tour before the cruise and/or got to Seward on their own.

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posted 11-05-2009 10:03 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let me confuse you even more. Imagine a southbound train from Fairbanks with passengers from the various cruise lines and each possibly booking a completely different length cruisetour. The land portion of the cruise tours vary in length from as few as 3 days to as much as a week. But they are all on the same train. The logistics require departures of the trains at a frequency I can't imagine. Princess lists nearly 100 different cruisetours, approximately half of them are tour first, then cruise; the other half are cruise first, then tour. Take July 2010 for instance. Princess has departures nearly every other day of the various 51 land-first cruisetours. And that's just Princess. Celebrity and Holland-America coordinate the logistics of the trains to link them onto the same engine.

Also keep in mind that all those passengers on the train out of Fairbanks will stay, depending on their tour, different lengths of overnigths at the various lodges. The train drops the off, another comes by the next day and picks them up.

Then the cruise lines have to coordinate their rail fleet for all of those northbound cruise first, land second passengers!


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posted 11-05-2009 10:09 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, and not to confuse the land tours that go into the interior with the 'tranfers' the cruise lines offer that only go from Seward to Anchorage or visa versa. These are just that, transfers, not rail cruise tours. Various cruiselines do offer a chartered or line specific rail car that they alone are hooked to an Alaska Rail engine.
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posted 11-12-2009 03:56 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks all. I shall not say that I am unconfused. I shall pay partlcular attention to routes and schedules.
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