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joe at travelpage
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posted 10-21-2002 01:55 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just finished updating some reader reviews and once again I was surprised at the number of people making the following statement "...the cabin was not very big - but you never spend any time there anyway, so it really didn't matter".

I am curious as to how many of you agree or disagree with that perspective?

Comments?

Joe at TravelPage.com


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gizmo
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posted 10-21-2002 02:14 PM      Profile for gizmo   Email gizmo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We spend enough time in the cabin so size does matter. We also like a verandah.
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posted 10-21-2002 03:35 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A well designed smaller 'light' coloured cabin, can be better than a larger poorly designed 'dark' cabin.

But it depends on the length and type of cruise. 2 weeks +, or lots of sea days = spend more time in cabin, want bigger.

A few days to a week, port intensive, no sea days, then it doesn't matter to me.

Verandah is nice, but I wouldn't pay a lot extra just to have one.

How many of those people Joe, were on 1 week cruises, as against those on longer trips? A small cabin for more than a week with sea days would be claustrophobic to me, but I can manage a few days.

Pam


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posted 10-21-2002 03:39 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most of us men can tollerate smaller ones, but I suspect women prefer something bigger?

I've no idea about cabins, though?


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posted 10-21-2002 04:06 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Space does matter to us - really like a small chesterfield or loveseat and an adjustable height cocktail/coffee table, perhaps even a small chair and a vanity stool for makeup, hair drying etc. Haven't yet tried a verandha but I' m sure I'd like it.....going without means more 'fun money'!

Has to be an 'outside'!

[ 10-21-2002: Message edited by: Green ]


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Eric
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posted 10-21-2002 04:14 PM      Profile for Eric   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This may surprise a few of you, but the smallest & most uncomfortable cabin we have ever had was on HAL's Ryndam !! There are just 3 tiny inside cabins up on the balcony deck that I would assume were originally designed as single's.
We would have preffered to be in a larger cabin even if it was in the bowels of the ship. However our sign card indicated we were on balcony deck & I did feel we had a little more defference from the staff when they saw it!!
Eric

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topgun
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posted 10-21-2002 05:10 PM      Profile for topgun     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Silly question. Of course it does.
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gohaze
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posted 10-21-2002 06:12 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A good question Joe. A smaller well designed cabin with lots of storage in a good position on the ship, is much preferable to a lot larger one that is a mess in a lousy place.
Our worst cabin ever was on the worst ship we've been on, the Vistafjord. It barely made 100sq.ft and the bathroom was so small I could hardly get in it and there wasn't even one shelf.
As for balconies, we'd sooner have the space in the cabin, with a big picture window (6'x6') as we had on the Sea Princess last trip.
...peter

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lambcom
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posted 10-22-2002 10:22 AM      Profile for lambcom   Email lambcom   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One thing for which I am grateful is that I've never had the experience of sharing my cabin with my children -- in other words a tripe or quad cabin. The standard HAL or Celebrity outside cabin is a compact 170-190 sq. feet which is sufficent for two people to move around with relative comfort, but I can't imagine having four people occupying the same space and my mind boggles at trying to cram 4 people into the 130 sq. ft cabins found on may RRCL or Norwegian ships.

As to verandas, we never had one until this year when our TA managed to snag one for us at a total price of less than we anticipated paying for a standard outside cabin. It will be very hard to go back. One of the things we enjoyed the most was leaving the sliding door open a bit when we went to bed and listening to the sound of the waves breaking on the ship as we sailed through the night. It beats any prescription sleeping pill!


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Eric
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posted 10-22-2002 02:55 PM      Profile for Eric   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gohaze....I think we have had that one on Caronia (ex Vistafjord) as well, "upgraded" from an inside, would have preferred to have kept the larger inside. However even this was better IMHO than that one we had on Ryndam
Eric

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sympatico
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posted 10-22-2002 03:29 PM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Eric - I count 4 Inside cabins on the Verandah deck and 8 on the Navigation deck of the Ryndam. I had a friend staying in one on the Verandah deck and saw inside it and I thought it was fine - didn't seem small to me. Are you sure you weren't in the broom closet?

Oh, excuse me - see which ones you mean at the bow of the ship on the Verandah deck - Cat. N No, these are not single cabins - unfortnately HAL no longer has them, except I believe on the Prinsendam.

Did you book a Guarantee and pay for an N cat. hoping to be upgraded? If so, sorry you didn't get an upgrade, as HAL's cabins really are a good size. I know a couple who always booked a Guarantee and were always upgraded, except on one cruise, they had the foward most cabin and every time the anchor was dropped thought it was going to come through the room. That time the Guarantee didn't work.

Believe me, I have seen small and that was on the Rotterdam V, where there were bunk beds and you could stand in the middle of the room and touch all four walls. On World cruises a lot of people took these cabins to store their trunks or for their maids/butlers. That was a long time ago.


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cruiseny
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posted 10-22-2002 04:10 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've seen pictures of Cat. N cabins on the S-class ships, and it seems to me that while they look the same as the M and higher on the deck plans, they are actually a very different shape... I don't know if they're smaller, but they didn't look to be the standard HAL layout.

Now, if only I could remember where I saw that picture ...


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Eric
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posted 10-23-2002 11:47 AM      Profile for Eric   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Have dug out my old HAL brochures from the loft & the ones I am talking about are now N102/108/112.

We did not book a guarantee & in fact booked a so called special offer 14 months in advance of sailing & allocated what was then (in the 96 brochure) shown as a J grade ( large inside stateroom it says) I can assure you these three cabins are tiny & now known (97 onwards as N grade standards).There was about 1 foot each side double bed, you could not open bath room door if a drawer was open or the cabin door if someone was sat on end of bed, very uncomfortable!. All other inside cabins are large 182 sq ft i/c the ones shown as M & N grade in the 96 brochure & we would much have prefered to be in one of those down in the bowels of ship.I also once saw a picture of a standard N that did not look much different to an M, I just put it down to printers error! They are tiny & uncomfortable & in a line that is purporting to be 5* should be reclassified as singles.

Needless to say as a Brit & even though we booked so far in advance NO upgrade or price reduction was forthcoming unlike our friends from USA. A clear case of "Brit rip off".
Eric


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Green
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posted 10-23-2002 12:25 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Eric - sounds much like our so-called'Caronia Class Dining' cabin on Deck 4 of the QE2!

Americans we met had booked after us in the same category but were moved up to Deck 2 - no rate increase - that cabin was at least twice the size of ours.

I tend to believe that we Canadians get ripped off too!


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posted 10-23-2002 03:00 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Green:

I tend to believe that we Canadians get ripped off too!


Green in Canada do you get a price reduction/refund if the cost of the cruise goes down? Here we pay what the price was at the time of booking... tough if the cruise subsequently goes down in price. I note our US friends seem to get refunds [or an upgrade] if it goes down. I scream 'Not Fair'! Well it isn't Just wonder how it works in Canada? I guess the same as us?

Although on N Sun I booked a 'balcony guarantee' and got the BA top balcony grade, I wonder if that was considered an upgrade from the lowest balcony cabin BE or not? Only seems to be a difference of how high you are, which makes no odds to me, the cabin is the same in size and amentities although on brochure prices around a difference of £400 pp! Ouch! If it was an upgrade then it's the first time I've had one, but didn't mean a lot.

Pam


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sympatico
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posted 10-23-2002 03:37 PM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam - I don't know about other lines, but the price of my cruise with HAL for Christmas went down BEFORE I made the final payment and we received the lower price.
HAL does have a policy about a refund if the price goes down before the final payment but I am not exactly sure what it is. I can look it up if you want. Just let me know.
I agree that our American friends do get much better deals than we do.

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posted 10-26-2002 09:11 PM      Profile for Keylime        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most certainly. Inside or outside, balcony or not, the bigger the better.
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posted 10-26-2002 10:21 PM      Profile for empressport     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Having gone transatlantic on the QE2 in category M5 inside, I can honestly say: No, size didn't matter to me!

I returned to the cabin when I wanted to lie down/sleep otherwise I was out and about.


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posted 10-26-2002 10:30 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by empressport:
Having gone transatlantic on the QE2 in category M5 inside, I can honestly say: No, size didn't matter to me!

I returned to the cabin when I wanted to lie down/sleep otherwise I was out and about.



Empressport,
Do you remember which cabin you had on the QE2? I'm also in an M5 this December, and just curious what to expect (I know it will be small!). My cabin number is 5206, and it looked to be the largest of the M5's from what I could tell, but who knows for sure?

Best,
Ernie Roller
Atlanta


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cruiseny
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posted 10-27-2002 12:17 AM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by eroller:
and it looked to be the largest of the M5's from what I could tell, but who knows for sure?

Well, for one, Cunard probably does... IF there is anyone who will tell you, that is...

And then there are the people who have one of those original deckplans of QE2, the kind that shows the actual shape and size of everything, and even furniture locations...

I find modern deck plans to be absolute pains in the neck... To start with they are not to scale, the shape of something on the deck plan is not the shape in person, and so on... I fact I am beginning to wonder, aside from finding out deck and general area of the ship, what the darn things are even used for!

AND... There IS a cruise line that puts out a deck plan the way it SHOULD be done... Well, actually I must retract that... Not a cruise ship, a liner. It isn't the QE2, in fact it's a more genuine liner than the QE2... And yes it is in service today.

For those who don't know what I'm talking about click here.

Do order the brochure, it has deck plans par excellence.


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posted 10-27-2002 12:27 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cruiseny:

And then there are the people who have one of those original deckplans of QE2, the kind that shows the actual shape and size of everything, and even furniture locations...



I do have several of those detailed QE2 deck plans, published during her many years of service. This was my primary reason for choosing the cabin I did, although there is no substitution for being there in person!

Ernie Roller
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posted 10-29-2002 09:15 PM      Profile for empressport     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ernie, I was in 5161 which looks like the smallest of the cabins with two lower beds. Your 5206 definitely looks larger. If I could figure out how, I might post a pic.
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posted 10-30-2002 05:39 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by empressport:
Ernie, I was in 5161 which looks like the smallest of the cabins with two lower beds. Your 5206 definitely looks larger. If I could figure out how, I might post a pic.

Looking at some 'older plans' it looks like 5206 has had an extra corner added into it since the original days, making it now larger that the others?

Which trip in Dec Ernie? The 'Maritime History' crossing on 15th?

Pam


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posted 10-31-2002 11:43 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:

Green in Canada do you get a price reduction/refund if the cost of the cruise goes down?

Pam


Pam, there’s no easy answer ……there are soooo many variables. It seems too that booking practices in the UK are quite different to those in Canada and probably the States.

Personally we book with an Agent who deals directly with our chosen Cruise Line. We buy from the Line, through the Agent, just what we want – frequently it’s Cruise only which, of course, includes Port and other taxes. We are not obliged to buy the Line’s insurance or (if offered) its air. The Agent can and does arrange our insurance, air, and any hotel nights or transfers we may require.

Can't speak about balcony cabins, never had one but I'd say that the higher you go, the higher the price - much like the decks on many ships.

Packaged cruises, (e.g.Encore Cruises, which has been mentioned on this forum) are I believe similar to UK packages – the entire holiday is covered.


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posted 11-01-2002 11:26 PM      Profile for empressport     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by eroller:


I do have several of those detailed QE2 deck plans, published during her many years of service. This was my primary reason for choosing the cabin I did, although there is no substitution for being there in person!

Ernie Roller
Atlanta


I just received a 1983 plan I bought on E-bay, and it appears that 5206 had upper and lower berths at that time, with some sort of spare bathroom next door, along the corridor?


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